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Sirakor Regular user 179 Posts |
Something to add to what Dan Magyari said... if you have the hardcover Bobo, be sure to read the first few pages of Chapter XVII - Lessons in Coin Magic sometime soon. Also, whilst it's better to come up with a routine/phrase/magical sequence of your own, this isn't exactly easy, and there are some bits and pieces in Bobos that might give you a little inspiration of what can be done with very little technical knowledge. The beginning of chapter XVII has such a thing, but you also might want to look at Coins in the teeth (there goes your loved click pass), Just Pretend, ... I won't spoil more of the things to come, take the pleasure of finding them yourself.
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jocce Regular user 136 Posts |
Gosh, I never thought I'd get this much advice. Thank you all
Re. playing notes vs playing music. Yepp, I realized that already and every time I practice a move I try to have a clear idea about why I do it and where it leads me. Following through to something else (even if it's just pointing, waving or whatever). I might try finding a routine in MCM to practice the sleights in context. Dan, I am actually using the articles and essays on your web. They're really a big help, and inspiration! Anyway, I have loads of fun learning and I think it just surprised me a bit how difficult these switches where. I haven't really had any problems with any of the palming techniques in MCM so it surprised me a bit that I couldn't get anywhere near the "real" move in appearance. *rattles coins*...yep, I lurv it |
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leko Loyal user Netherlands 202 Posts |
An alternative for the Bobo switch is Kaufman's visual drop switch (Apocalypse 1978, p.3).
I do a slight variation: Take the coin to be switched out between first finger and thumb, the other coin is in fingerpalm. Then simultaneously: the hand is turned palm down towards the body, the visible coin is clipped between first and second fingers and the coin in fingerpalm is dropped (not tossed) to the other hand. There's a nice flash of the visible coin during the switch. Hope this helps. |
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Malcolm Kavalsky Regular user 114 Posts |
Leko,
That is one really cool move! Certainly far smoother than the Bobo switch, no need to dummy throw first. How is yours different from Kaufman's? I don't have the Apocalypse. Just thought of another clean switch, try this out. 1. Finger palm, say a copper coin in RH 2. Hold silver coin between thumb and forefinger 3. Execute standard retension of vision transfer, but drop the finger palmed copper coin into the LH fingers while they are curling up I guess this could be called the ROV switch. Cheers, Malcolm |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Much sympathy here for what jocce describes.
It was when Presto showed me the classic palm to classic palm change (cp2cp) that switching started to make more sense to me. In NYC at the time, a deep backclip coin exchange was just sort of mythical. Needless to say... I took up the challenge and went after it. The edge grip to edge grip move came a few years later. So... take it from someone who has worked through the switches in Bobo's, watched Slydini and Roth... and then had to go home and invent what they need... you are looking down the path at a rough road. What can help is to get comfortable moving coins around in your hand using transfers and also to notice HOW you want to be handling coins. After you get some idea of your desired "look and feel" for coin magic, the mechanics can be either found or invented. Go for it!
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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vilewarner New user Massachusetts 86 Posts |
I find the thumb p@@@ switch just as useful as the bobo version without the awkward tossing motion.
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leko Loyal user Netherlands 202 Posts |
Malcolm,
Nice move, your ROV switch. But the difference with the Bobo switch seems to me the fact that the spectators can't SEE the coin go to the other hand. Regarding Kaufman's switch, that's rather complicated so I PM-ed you. |
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tikiman New user 57 Posts |
Another resource that can be realy helpful is a local magic club be it IBM or SAM. This can be better than a DVD if they have some coin workers there because you can see the stuff in person and ask questions.
<Big Fan> BTW Mr Kam I LOVE palms of steel series. </Big Fan> |
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Brian Morgan Regular user 185 Posts |
A big vote for Dr. Rubinstein's Ency. of Coin Sleights. 3 DVD's well worth the money. As a matter of fact I've been watching Vol. 2 today working on some new spellbound moves. These DVD's have a variety of usefool tools including steals, vanishes, shuttle passes, loads, spellbound moves, han ping chien, switches, click passes, and moves useful in different matrixes. Excellent demonstrations and explanations.
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vilewarner New user Massachusetts 86 Posts |
Those Dvd's are my favorites, terrific learning and reference tool, however I can still hear that *** music in my head sometimes.
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
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On 2005-03-03 22:20, Brian Morgan wrote: I could not agree more! Best investment in coin magic I ever made was in that set and his Knockout Coin Magic DVD (Vol's 1,2 & 3 on ONE DVD!). I never got the concept of Spellbound until seeing Mike's...my click-pass was always awkward until now, Mike has shown me SEVERAL variations...in fact that series, IMO, is a must-have addition to your Roth coin video collection...if you're serious about learning coin magic. Thanks again, Dr. Mike! Doug |
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Dr. Faust Regular user Louisville, Kentucky 183 Posts |
I must only say that I HATE switches! The only easy switch is one that occurs in your pocket, during a routine where you have an excuse to be in your pocket. The switch of the half dollars in the Silver/Copper/Brass Transposition is an example of this type of inconspicuous switch.
Routinely Switching Only, Dr. Faust I must add that I'm sure there are many magicians who do some great out-of-pocket switches. If you are talented and skillful enough to pull it off every time, then I have only the greatest envy. In my post above, I was only stating that I (likely due to my own lack of mastery) do not like switches. It just seems that, so far, I have better-than-usual chances of getting caught, whenever I try a switch. However, I am still practicing, confident that someday I may switch with confidence. Still Striving to Switch, Dr. Faust
"I have such sights to show you!"
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