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Eddy Special user Manchester 582 Posts |
Is anyone else out there struggling with this like me? I have it on Daryl's EofCS, Show Off, and Harry Lorayne Vol 5 vid. The problem is, it is always briefly explained and I just can't get it down. I have it in straddle but the card will just not move. When I apply pressure quite a few cards start to come off the deck, over its sides, and just fall off in a big mess. I appreciate there is a knack to this, but saying that does not help. Is there any useful thing out there that I may be overlooking? Thanx.
P.S Have you seen Greg Wilson do it on Card Stunts? It is awe inspiring!
La magie, c'est ma vie
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Geoff Weber Inner circle Washington DC 1384 Posts |
Yeah, subtle changes in positioning make all the difference... plus your index and pinky fingers should be holding the packet like a vise! And when you go to shoot the card..REALLY dig in hard.. I push using the tip, just where the nail ends and the fleshy part begins.. to get the right motion with your thumb... practice snapping your fingers, using the the tip of your thumb against your pinky.... if you can make a snapping sound doing that with no cards, then your hand is in the correct postion to spin the cards..
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Eddy Special user Manchester 582 Posts |
With regards to the long distance spinner, do you not find that more than one card comes off the edge of the deck? What other ways do you fire a card from the deck? Thanx for the advice.
La magie, c'est ma vie
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MichelAsselin Veteran user 20th century, 3rd dimension 326 Posts |
A rubber fingertip is a great help in acquiring the knack - those used by tellers.
A short nail on the thumb helps.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Take a look at how close your third finger is to the corner. The closer it is to the corner, the easier it will be to free the outgoing card. Of course, that also makes it a little harder to hold onto the rest of the cards, but managing that tradeoff is what the move is all about.
Sometimes it helps to do this: Put all the cards but one into the card case. (Take off the plastic wrap) This eliminates concerns over the cards getting out of line, allowing you to concentrate on launching the card. This may be obvious, but are you using an old, sticky deck? That tends to force more than one card to come out, as you've described. The placement of the index finger also has a role in determining how hard you've got to push the card, and that may need adjusting. Keep at it. And if things get dull, try it from behind your back, firing the card up and over your opposite shoulder. This is a very cool revelation, and one heck of a cover for a deck switch.
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flourish dude Inner circle from ? But I know where I am going! 1195 Posts |
I also had trouble until Daryl told me to make sure the card is out of the deck less than 90 degrees.
In other words, the card deck is at 3 o'clock, 9 o'clock. The card you are going to shoot should be at 1 o'clock, 7 o'clock or even 2-8 with the ends of the cards pointing to the 3-9 and 1-7 position on the clock. I hope this makes sense. The key to get the card to shoot was less than 90 degrees and push up with middle finger at the corner of the card closest to the deck.
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Eddy Special user Manchester 582 Posts |
flourish dude- I think you are talking about the hot shot cut here. I'm on about the boomerang card.
La magie, c'est ma vie
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Geoff Weber Inner circle Washington DC 1384 Posts |
flourish dude, I think you successfully confused me
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Dan Farmer Loyal user Northern Nevada 235 Posts |
I picked up the spinner pretty quick straight off of McB's manipulations vol. 3. There are two tips though that got me to where I could spin one over my house.
1. Cut your thumbnail way back. The more fleshy the thumb the better. 2. Point your index finger, don't let it curl in (in my experience it doesn't matter what the pinky does just make sure you're index finger is straight.) I have a hard time doing card spinning indoors now because I hit the ceiling so much -Dan |
flourish dude Inner circle from ? But I know where I am going! 1195 Posts |
Oh, I am sorry, are you talking about shooting the card off with your thumb? If so, make sure you lock your thumb knuckle and place it at the lower corner of the card closest to your pinky. Hold the deck with your first finger on top (side) and pinky on bottom (side). Your middle and ring fingers should be at the (bottom) sides. The deck is horizontal. The first finger on top is on the long side of the cards.
The thumb applies pressure at the same point the middle finger applies pressure on the other side of the deck. When you lock your thumb knuckle it is bent the opposite way than it bends normally, then move your thumb in a circular motion without unlocking your knuckle. At first, all you want to do is stand the card up, then after you build the muscle, the card will shoot. I'll try to take some pictures with my camera and email them to you.
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
I found the Audley Walsh spinner to be very difficult when I first tried to learn it. It's definitely a knack that will take some time to acquire.
While trying to learn it, I developed a similar, but I feel, much easier method of spinning off the cards. One nice thing about my method (I think it's my method at least, I haven't seen it written up or performed by anyone else) is that the position for the spin can be arrived at one handed from a standard dealer's grip. Hold the cards in a standard dealer's grip (i.e. index finger around the front, middle, ring, and little fingers around the rights side of the deck, thumb diagonally across the top). Swing the little finger around the lower right corner of the deck to the back end so that the deck is held in a straddle grip. By gripping the deck between the index finger and little finger at the front and back end of the deck, and opening the hand, the deck will lever up away from the palm. At this point, the cards are held as they would be for the Audley Walsh spinner, except the deck is rotated 90 degrees from the Walsh grip. Rotate the arm until the non-index corners of the face card are vertically in line with one another (if you want to shoot the card straight up, you'll have to experiment for other angles of fire). The thumb can now be used to spin off the face card of the deck as in the Walsh spinner. I use this version now unless a routine, like Greg Wilson's Boomerang Card of Death, requires that I use the Audley Walsh handling. The grip is much more secure (because the lower edge of the deck is resting comfortably on your middle and ring fingers, instead of being supported only by the little finger), which means you can concentrate more on the pressure exerted by your thumb. Plus, as I mentioned before, you can arrive in the proper position very rapidly, and one-handed. Hope this helps. Enjoy. Paul Sherman BTW, Curtis is right on when he suggests shooting it behind the back over the opposite shoulder. It's a great revelation that I've been using with my handling of the Audley Walsh spinner since shortly after I learned it. Spectators will freak out.
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flourish dude Inner circle from ? But I know where I am going! 1195 Posts |
http://www.geocities.com/mvvenrooij/master.html
Some pics I found. The only different handling for me is I lock my thumb, as I stated above. He shows his bent.
Nothing of the same will bring any change, take action today!
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magiczak Regular user Granada Hills, CA 159 Posts |
Are there any other resources for help on the long distance spinner?
**Zak**
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Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
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F4n745yDX New user USA 5 Posts |
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Brian Roberts Regular user Georgia 200 Posts |
Try changing the move slightly, as John Gustaferro does. Grip between your index and ring finger instead of the pinky. Thanks to Alan Grose who showed me. Looong distance!!
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Torch New user 1 Post |
A great way to learn the boomerang card is to do it with the worst deck you have. If the cards old, flimsy, and falling apart it makes it pretty easy to learn. Stiff new cards take a lot of force to get one card to go. Give it a try.
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R2ddrew New user 1 Post |
Ok great how do you do it???
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