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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Does anyone have any experience with this version? It's published in "Impossibilia"
I'm most interested in the "mouth up" state of the cups and the "fake take" he uses at the beginning of the routine. To me, it sounds like a good opener, or at least a good variant to throw in from time to time. The cups are mouth up with balls inside. You show, then put away two of the balls, turning the cups mouth down on the table as you do so. You then proceed to "vanish" the one remaining ball and have a spectator choose which cup it should appear under. Of course, you're not taking any chances as you reveal a ball under each cup. This only requires one "vanish" (that the audience is aware of), instead of three in a row. The heat is totally off of the other two. Any "real world" experience with something like this?
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
I'll definately look at it when I get home today. I have the book, I just didn't see that in there. Knowing the rest of what is in that book, I bet it is excellent.
I don't know the move, but I will look at it.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
The routine is great and the presentation/patter, as with all of bannon's material, is top notch.
This was the first routine I studied but later dropped it for a more traditional rotuine. The problem that can occur, in my opinion, is to blah, blah, blah, your way through the routine and not focus on the spectators. The patter is great and all the moves are motivated. You certainly can't say that about a lot of routines. But the spectators need to be addresses. Look at them, respond to them, look up and pause, poke them with the wand (though the routine does not require a wand). Do something besides recite the lyrics and make the moves. Impossibilia is one of my favorite books. Great stuff.
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doug brewer V.I.P. 1142 Posts |
I found this routine confusing, especially the "mouth up" thinking. Most people, in my experience, equate the 3 cup routine to the 3 shells, therefore the cups should be mouth-down - they are acting as covers, not as recepticals. I think for the "mouth up" psychology to work you should use actual drinking cups with handles - this would seem more logical. However, you won't be able to do the nested load of the 8 ball at the end with cups like this. Also if you do this for people at a table they would be able to look within the cup to see the ball. Overall I don't believe this to be a very "commercial" routine.
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Thanks for the input so far...
I'm really only interested in the one portion of the routine. I agree that it's a bit "wordy" for some, especially me. Doug, Does anyone but magicians use a cup "mouth down?" Just wondering. Bannon uses drinking cups for his routine, so I'm pretty sure in his context it works fine. Nobody gets to "see" inside the cups anyway. Using his logic, they are mouth up when a ball is there and mouth down when a ball is not. Or at least, that's what he wants people to think... And at the end, the 8-ball is in the bottom of the nested cups, not the middle, so I don't see any problem there, although I'm not planning on using it this way. I may not, but I was considering the possibilities of adding just the opening phase to Gazzo's routine. The psychology of building the routine up from one ball to three interested me.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Yes, I think the very beginning has some good moments. Doug's right about the non-commercial aspects too. Can't do it surrounded. Absolutely not. Excellent point.
I just really like the presentation though one must be careful not to make it seem wordy. that's a good way to put it. I like more of a "busker" feeling to the cups and balls presentation and this routine does not have it. But that's just me. Also, if the cups are stainless, an existing fuzzball might glare up at a spectator even if they can't actually see IT. that's another problem. I think doug's got the idea. study it. it does have some good bits and the presentation is well thought out.
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
I don't think my cups will have any problems. Bannon uses pewter cups which also don't have any polished interior surfaces, so he probably doesn't have any problems either.
Again, I'm only considering the opening phase by having a spectator dropping the balls in the cups after the examination phase. By starting with just one ball, I "put away" the other two as I turn the cups mouth down using an "inertia" move. So, the basic setup becomes: I have three mouth down cups. They have been examined and presumed empty. They're all three loaded, and I haven't had to do a thing (that they're aware of). I'm not comfortable yet with the three vanishes in Gazzo's opener. I don't have the comedic "chops" of Gazzo and my own gut instinct tells me I'm not going to get away with it three times in a row. At least this way, their attention is relaxed as I'm apparently doing nothing. The attention focuses on one single ball. By that time I'm already way ahead of the game, and ready to continue with Gazzo's pretty much as written.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Are you doing the "virgin detector" bit?
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Uhhh.... no.
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