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MARCUS New user 7 Posts |
I have a silly question, but here it goes,
what is the difference between cups and balls and chop cups? Is it just different routines or different cups? Thanks in advance! mark |
Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
That’s not a silly question at all, particularly if you are new to this area of magic.
Cups and balls typically use multiple cups and multiple balls (most often three, but sometimes two, four and occasionally only one). Neither the cups nor balls are "gimmicked" or specially prepared, other than their shape to facilitate stacking, etc. Chop Cups, on the other hand, are usually a one cup/one ball (as far as the audience is concerned) setup, where both the cup and the ball are specially prepared or gimmicked to do a lot of the work for you. The Chop Cup was created by the late Al Wheatley, whose stage name was "Chop Chop"--hence the name "Chop Cup"--a couple of decades ago. The cups and balls have been around for centuries, if not millenia. There is also what is known as a "combination cups and balls" set. This consists of two regular cup’s, one matching chop cup, one gimmicked ball and the rest ordinary balls. I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction. If you still need more information, please make another post or contact me via private message or email. Good luck! _________________ Scott F. Guinn Great Scott! It’s Magic!
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MARCUS New user 7 Posts |
Thank you for your reply.
I thought that about the chop cups and balls and cup but was not really sure. Thank you mark |
JaymesR New user Minnesota 53 Posts |
wow! I always thought they were the same thing too, thanks for asking. learn somethin’ new every day.
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Kenz Krazy New user Kent in the U.K 74 Posts |
Thanks for the info .
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atkinsod Regular user VA 196 Posts |
Just one other note, there are also several routines using just a single cup and ball, and although the routine may look like a chop cup is used, the cup is ordinary.
Doug A. |
Steve Brooks Founder / Manager Northern California - United States 3780 Posts |
For you beginners, here is a little trivia for you concerning Al Wheatley's Chop cup.
Al performed the effect for years, fooling lay people and magicians alike. During that era, even magicians had no idea how the trick worked, as Al (Chop chop) kept the secret under his hat. (Or maybe I should have said cup?)
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magichadley New user Dayton OH 38 Posts |
If your interested and live near a Toys R Us store. There is a box of magic things called the Magic Trunk, I got my daughter one for Christmas. There is a basic (but, good enough to pull off) version of both tricks in the trunk. That's how I found out the difference.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
Hi MARCUS & JaymesR,
Just to add something extra. This is in additon to what Scott has said. Scott has answered your (MARCUS) question well and in detail. You could now add a third partner to The Chop Cup, "The Omega Ring". The Omega Ring is a gimmicked ring (read more at http://home.att.net/~harlinmagic/omega_faq.htm). With the Chop Cup, Chop ball (my own term for the gimmicked Ball) Omega Ring and a ordinary coffee Cup, a lot of magic is possible. Imagination is the limit. One could do wonders with the third partner. From India with regards CHEERS!! P.S. You may also add the Neo-Thumb Tip - The fourth partner. But it is a bit difficult to use this gimmick for close-up (I mean very close)
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Peter Marucci Inner circle 5389 Posts |
Ustaad raises an almost-forgotten point: Using a gimmicked ball, a normal, clear glass, and a gimmicked tip (I came up with my own), you can do near-miracles right in the spectator's hands. (I imagine the Omega Ring would work equally well.)
For a no-gimmicked-anything version, the late Eddie Joseph did a number of one-cup, one-ball (with multiple last loads) routines. Well worth checking out. cheers, Peter Marucci showtimecol@aol.com |
Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
Hi all,
The good old Chop Cup and Ball is a wonderful prop. The only limitation is that it cannot be given out for examination, as both, the ball, as well as the cup are gimmicked. This limitation can be overcome by using an ordinary steel/copper coffee cup (I would not recommend a transparent cup), the good old gimmiked ball and the Omega Ring. The Omega ring is an excellent prop to do the examine all, chop cup routine. I would avoid the TT due to it's disadvantage in close up (very close) magic. Any suggestions? USTAAD CHEERS!!
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Steven the Amusing Regular user San Francisco Bay Area 117 Posts |
I don't know about your gimmicked balls, but any of those I've seen/used would survive all but the closest scrutiny. And the better made chop cups will survive scrutiny too, provided, you don't give them both the gimmicked ball and the gimmicked cup simultaneously. But then there is really no reason to "give" them out in the first place.
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tanselkaya Regular user 139 Posts |
Using rings such as Wizards PK Ring or the Vortex has an added benefit when dealing with the cups and balls routine. If you happen to have an iron core ball, you can easily palm it in your hands, show your hand relaxed and transfer it to a magnet on your body for ditching. This is especially useful if some people have a vague idea on palming. It is always good to use multiple methods to achieve the same effect. It erases your tracks.
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LCBellah New user 95 Posts |
You could hand out the chop cup and ungimmicked ball for examination.
However, in most cases I wouldn't think it would add to the magic to give them over for inspection. |
Justin Impossible Veteran user Distant Land Of Shmooo 328 Posts |
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On 2002-02-21 12:13, Ustaad wrote: Ustadd I just wanted to clarify on something especially for some of the beginners working on chop cups. You can give a chop cup out for examination. I do in my routine as this lets the spectator believe that the cup and ball is normal. I then do the move, which if you research the chop cup is the basic move, then just switch the balls in the pocket. You then start the routine and your set. So yea just wanted to point that out, as I know people always worry when a trick states that everything cannot be examined. Great Post! Peace J
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Bob Johnston Inner circle Philadelphia, PA 1251 Posts |
One of my cups in my C&B set is a chop cup and I often let people examine the cups, why not. Unless I have the chop cup ball in play, I can't even tell what cup is the chop cup.
Bob |
Justin Impossible Veteran user Distant Land Of Shmooo 328 Posts |
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On 2007-07-17 17:58, Wellington wrote: Good Point! Whether I use 3, 2, or 1 cup I always let people examine all of my props. I figure it is only fair since I am a liar, cheat, and a thief. But it comes with the job! Peace J
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