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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
Hi Werner,
I'm sorry, I did not mean to imply that you didn't know, just to clarify that the Kaps version was based on the Pat Page one. Your posts on the Café tell me that you are a VERY knowledgable magician, and I did not mean to suggest otherwise. My friend Bill Nagler feels that the trick does not have an "end." Just an "in your face" demonstration of something you can do that the spectator can't. He feels you need something to release the tension. Anybody agree... or disagree with that? Denny
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
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On 2005-06-09 14:51, Dennis Loomis wrote: Nothing to be sorry about Dennis , I just thought you misunderstood why I started with the FK-version, TBH, I didn't know the original PP version at that time, got it first to know later and still judged the FK version was more practical. Quote:
On 2005-06-09 14:51, Dennis Loomis wrote: Here are a few thoughts re this, to compensate re the mishappening/misunderstanding Isn't most magic (not all), an *into your face demo?*. Actually I have that feeling re 3 Fly! Not to misunderstand, I love 3-Fly, but it's a demo and lacks interaction with the specs somehow.(IMHO) To stay on topic, I think -but this is just my opinion- the premise I use re how to protect ones money during travelling by using magazine snips and transforming them to real money when needed is still a demo, but there is a theme and a reason for doing the transformation...but again, a lot of stuff are *into their face demos*.. F.ex. the floating bill,and *Matrix* especially, where is the interaction with the specs? They don't get anything to hold and to participate in the mentioned routines.. Maybe all routines that are just happenings of magic where the spec is not involved participating are *into their face demos*? A contrary example are the spongeballs! Even the C&Bs where the specs point out which cup the ball should travel under..the spec even gets the wand to hold to point, so he's involved.. When f.ex. doing the CTTT -which basicaly IS a demo-I always throw out the 4 coins in a row onto the table, telling them/asking them to the theme that diff. eyes se diff. things..and then asking *how many they se*. When they answer 4, I react by saying *4..., sorry my mistake, I only need 3* and I pick one up and toss pass it to the other hand, handing it over to a spec with the remark *would you hold it for me please*..he grabs and the coin vansihes.. It is reproduced from his body, placed in the row on the table again and the remark is *Let's start allover again, we'll use 4 coins*.. That is an approach to the CTTT to get the specs involved at the beginning, as it basically is a demo.. Later they also get asked to point out the spot where the coin should pass through.. Sorry for the long comment, but you triggered something..made me think about, re what are *just* demos and what involves the specs.. far too much magic are demos I think..
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12968 Posts |
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On 2005-05-04 20:06, blindbo wrote: I use $1 and $20. Here's my routine. It never matters to me or them that I am not changing into $100. Most folks ask Magicians if they are so magical why don't we just make money. Well, we can't MAKE money but we can take soemthing with the same characteristics, length, width, color and smell (let them smell one) and change it's physical appearance. (while I am saying the above I am displaying the 5 ones) So, we do have to start out with something with the same characteristics. Then we can take that and CHANGE it to something else (I then begin showing the $20s). See, they are the same size and they even smell (let the specs smell the bill again) identical. Now when magician's do this you don't want to be greedy. That's why I use $20 I mean I can make as many as I want so what's the difference. I continue... Now, here's a tip. When you place these back in your pocket you want to put them in as ones cause if someone steals your money they'll only get 5 dollars and that's not so bad. (I place them back in my pocket) The amazing thing about this trick is that as many people have asked to hold the bills I let them. I give one, then two, then three and sometimes even four if I have to. But they never ask to hold the one left over. They are so happy and convinced at this point that they don't think about it. With children I have them count the bills as they are displayed. They count the ones then I say ok let's do it again. And they are startled when they find themselves counting twentys. It's one of by funnest and most magical routines. I use it as a first trick when I see I have to perform real quick. Otherwise I save it until I see a seemingly bored spectator then I perfrom it and that usually cures them of that. John Quote:
On 2005-05-20 15:37, fccfp wrote: I'll tell ya Ashah, I have never been pegged holding the gimmick. It must be thinner than 3d. John |
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Benji Bruce Special user 930 Posts |
I would like to point something out with changing into $100 bills...i had a friend who did hundy 500 all the time changin $1 to $100 and the impact was great (at the moment)...but after the effect was "over" people would come up to me and ask me if the $100 bills were real...at first I thought this was a stupid question but I realized that most people don't see $100 bills all the time and eventually the same people would conclude the $100 bills were fake...im trying to point out (like in Strong Magic by Darwin Ortiz) the magic depends on your audiences perception and not the reality of the situation...changing $1 bills into $100 bills is what we would really do if we had powers but a lot of people don't see $100 bills and are not sure if they are real (i know this for a fact because everyone of my friends who have seen my magic buddy do this trick ALWAYS ask me if they were real)...in the end they conclude the magician used fake bills...the moment the magic occurs is a GREAT moment but the moment the spectators aren't sure of what happened ruins the effect as a WHOLE
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Richard Shippy Special user Scottsdale, Arizona 510 Posts |
You bring up some great points BBMagic! I've performed both $1 to $100 and to $20. Under both situations the spectators still remark that the bills are probably fake. Even with the $20 ending which suprised me. So, lately under all circumstances I hand a few of them out in either case for them to touch. Overall, I think the $100 ending is stronger based off audience reactions and since they suspect the bills in either case I ended up choosing the $100 ending. The only disadvantage is the chance I could lose the packet which is worth considerable more.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." ~ Winston Churchill
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milamber Regular user California 130 Posts |
Just to change the effect a bit I had my nephew (who's six years old) help me "draw" mock-dollar bills on pieces of off-white paper that were cut to size.
Then made the gimmick with the drawings and $10 bills (I've also had them change to $20 and $100 but the reactions were similar so I've standardized on the $10 bills). I use different types of presentations when using this particular setup such as... "being broke and having to resort to making my own money... and employed my nephew to draw me some money..." to "I think my son took some money out of my wallet again... (then showing the drawn bills)" etc. etc. Anyway, it's worked great for me and have received some great reactions from it. |
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
Something that I haven't heard anyone discuss, is what Wilson calls "recoiling".
For those that have performed the Hundy 500, how much value does the "recoil" fake counting(and its exposure) add to the overall effect? I am concerned, that I may want to use a fake count in another effect, and I wouldn't want to make my audience aware of how easy it is to do a fake count. (I certainly wouldn't do Hundy & a trick that relied on a fake count back to back, but my audience tends to be family and friends, so they see most of my effects) I think I would totally drop that part of Wilson's routine, unless I was never going to present a trick to them that used a fake count to create an effect. Yet dropping it seems to take away a "set-up" of the audience for doing the transformation into $100's. Thanks John
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PaulGreen Inner circle 1133 Posts |
Hi John,
I perform this trick almost every day. I do not use the "Recoil Count" portion of the original Wilson routine. It just doesn't fit into the routine as I do it, and I don't think the trick suffers from the loss. Regards, Paul Green |
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MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1445 Posts |
I do dollar bills to two dollar bills......always goes over great.
Occasionally I hand out a few two dollar bills for inspection. |
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Snidini Special user 776 Posts |
I have now gone to using the "poor mans hundy" using $2 bills to $20's. The effect is just as good as the 1 to 100 if you use the illusion of the zeros into the patter. I have used both and have found no noticable difference in the "wow factor" as far as denominations of bills. I changed after realizing that a lot of folks have never seen a $2 bill and it makes for a more interesting tricks. Their all sure the $2 bills are "tricked out" and always gets them asking to look at the bills again.
By the way, has anyone found a better adhesive to use other than rubber cement? Snidini |
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Countage Veteran user Charlotte 361 Posts |
Has anyone found a realistic million dollar bill to use?
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
Like Snidini, I also like using the two dollar bills to twenties. I usu. show the spec the Two Dollar Window first and it leads nicely into the Hundy "200."
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler |
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Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
I noticed that when I perform at least one or two times someone comes up to me and says: "Can't you double my money? or "Can you make this into a larger bil?" (they want magic to be practical as Darwin Ortiz points out in Strong Magic) So I'm planning on adding an EZ money effect or a bill switch to my repetoire.
Perhaps this has been asked before, but can the Hundy 500 effect be done with euro bills? For example changing some 10 euro bills to twenty euro bills? The euro bills have different sizes. I saw the slowburn dvd from Richard Sanders a long time ago, as well as the Pat Page version. But since I was not really interested in that kind of effects back then, I don't recall if you can perform the effect with euro bills. Thanks! Simon |
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garcia00 Elite user 443 Posts |
I do $2s to $20s, asking if specs have ever seen $2s (they tend to be a little interested in them), then posing the question why merchants do not like $2s (size of cash tray). I then patter that conmen cut out the 0's off $20s to turn $2s into $20s. This patter coincides with the MOVE. I do not do the recoil count. The trick gets a good reaction, whether it has this "release' you seek or not.
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