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Ednigma New user 34 Posts |
Are their ever times when you think that,when you do a glimpse, a spectator may INSTINCTIVELY know you peeked at that bottom card to get some type of information from it?...Maybe,I'm just guilty of "magician's thinking" as Osterlind says.
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
Jay Sankey in his dvds - Rev. Card Magic and Secret Files - glimpses at cards quite a bit. Jay always said in his dvds to not make a big deal out of it. If you act like nothing is happening, no one will know anything is going on, except you of course. So just relax, have confident and go out and do some wonderful magic, Ednigma!
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler |
TonyBrand Special user Chicago, IL 508 Posts |
In my opinion, if one uses a glimpse in a logical manner and uses misdirection to his advantage, it is very difficult for a spectator to realize that a glimpse has even take place. Add in an effective presentation and you should be golden. By the way, there are some very effective glimpses in "Royal Road to Card Magic." To answer your question more directly: I don't believe a spectator has ever suspected me of performing a glimpse in order to achieve one of my effects. Well...at least I've never been called on it.
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Peter Marucci Inner circle 5389 Posts |
On the one hand, a student magician is told: "The audience will look where you look."
On the other hand, that same magician is told: "Where you look doesn't matter." Is it any wonder he or she is confused? Basically, if it's not natural, then don't do it! Audiences WILL hone in on something that's unnatural, be it they way you display the cards or the accidental (?) glimpse of a card. Vernon spent the better part of a lifetime stressing the naturalness of every move; it appears that his efforts were wasted. |
Ednigma New user 34 Posts |
Mr.Marucci,no disrespect intended,but my next question is this:
If you MUST glimpse a card, how can you glimpse a card AND NOT? The glimpse IS often a necessary means to obtain information about the previous card. |
Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
There are all kinds of ruses a magician can use to glimpse at a card, fanning the deck to show it is normal. Gesturing with the cards, held in such a way they can get a glimpse. Bottom cards are a bit easier to glimpse than top cards, but it is about the same. Generally if you don't make it a deliberate move to "look", because your audience has no clue of what to expect, and you certainly aren't going to tell them, you get away with it fine. In most cases if you were to interview people right after they saw a trick, they actually remember very little about it, other than the final effect. They often don't remember cards being shuffled and cut (one reason many magicians in their patter remind the audience "you cut and shuffled the cards making any trickery on my part impossible...etc." as a part of their patter), or much else of the "set up". The magician being aware of what he is doing leads him to fear it will be seen. A good example is the thumb tip. New magicians are often very apprehensive about this gimmick. Yet in over 40 years, I've never had anyone notice the thumb tip. And in many a trick performed by a magician I was watching where I knew one was being used, I didn't notice it either. People as a general rule don't pay that much attention to detail. Gestalt psychology made a whole study out of the fact that people tend to look at forms, and relational things, not details. You know the detail so you know it is there. Unless you draw attention to it in some way,most won't notice, the one or two who might, if you simply refuse to acknowledge that is how it is done, still don't know for sure. Just practice before performing, watch yourself in a mirror, and try to be as continuous, and natural as possible. It will work for you.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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Ednigma New user 34 Posts |
Thank you for clarification,photius.
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*Jamie* New user 61 Posts |
That was a good post, Photius.
I still feel a bit uneasy when using my tt.
-Jamie
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MattWayne Special user Manhattan, NY | Studio City, CA 624 Posts |
Natural 'toying' with the deck- such as squaring or spreading the cards works well. Just be natural; you'll be surprised when it works.
Matt
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DanielTyler New user New York 95 Posts |
Don't forget that the action of looking down at the cards is only unnatural when you make it unnatural. Avoid nervous body language, and just casually look down at the cards when youre getting your peak.
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bigchuck Veteran user Nothing clever has ever been said in my 400 Posts |
I'd choose doing a trick with a forced card, rather than needing to rely on a glimpse of a card... there is much less pressure and the result can be basically the same -- what do you do when you miss a force ? you go into a different trick; with a peek you are pretty committed at that point in the trick and now you need to think of possible outs.
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Hushai Elite user St. Louis, Missouri, USA 460 Posts |
In "World's Best Card Tricks" Bob Longe gives some clever ways of glimpsing a card. One is to say that you forgot you have to remove your unlucky card (the Queen of Spades, say)in order to do this trick. Then just remove that card, glimpsing the card you need to glimpse along the way, and set the "unlucky card" aside.
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onezero1 Regular user 178 Posts |
Quote:
On 2005-05-22 17:14, Peter Marucci wrote: No. Not wasted, I assure you.
'though it stands to reason that a samurai should be mindful of the Way...it would seem that we are all negligent.
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sinnead zenun Elite user Mt. Makiling 408 Posts |
Glimpse at it boldly but don't pay much attention... continue talking and moving your hands for misdirection...
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Jerrine Special user Busking is work. 629 Posts |
I've been accused of having adult A.D.D., rapid fire thoughts and speach, always moving, etc. For those with similar personalities, rattling off at the mouth (patter) and fussing with the cards, you should easily be able to get a glimpse and it appear perfectly natural. I don't know what to offer the normal people.
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The Dragon New user The Dark Shadows. 90 Posts |
Well I think you could do it while pattering, or perhaps provide a sound reason for all your actions as Dai Vernon might have said. Just be really natural. Mr. Marucci is right! If it ain't natural, don't do it. But of course he isn't saying that don't look and glimpse the card. He probably meant don't lift the deck up to ur eyes, and look at the bottom card then set it down again.
Okay I was exaggerating, but you get the idea =P So just go ahead and glimpse, your previous tricks should set them off guard by then. D.
Don't think too much.
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Magnum New user 89 Posts |
I have developed an out for when I feel that someone is going to trouble me when a glimpse is required. I dramatically glimpse a card, allowing them to catch me doing it. Then, as an act of fairness, I remove that card and lose it in the deck. In this motion I glimpse the card underneath it and continue with the routine. Replacing the card makes for good misdirection.
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Chris Miller Loyal user Rochester, NY 242 Posts |
There are plenty of natural or legitimate reasons to look at your deck of cards when performing. You don't need to take your glimpse while the spec is looking at their card. Do it while shuffling or playing with the cards before the spec has any idea what you are about to do. If I need a glimpse, I like to take it while giving the cards a riffle shuffle. Very simple to see the card which will end up on the bottom in the moment before the riffle is released, and it makes perfect sense that you would be looking down at the deck.
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