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majical New user 95 Posts |
When I first learned of CD manipulation, I was fascinated by the concept. I played around with it for a while, and began to like it.
However... I have since heard some things that have discouraged me from pursuing this form of manipulation. Things about the CDs being too shiny, causing routines to be confusing, etc. These comments came from those watching the performances, and after all; it is the spectator's opinions that matter, not mine. "CDs just don't cut it on stage." What do you think? |
DerekMerdinyan Inner circle 1030 Posts |
Send me an email at DerekMerdinyan@gmail.com I perform a short routine I call the "Disc Jockey's Dream..."
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
I disagree. The reason why a cd might not work is because the manipulator forgets a very important factor. That is that the manipulator must convey to the audience exactly what the props are that he is using and why he is doing what he does.
Most manipulators just go out there and try to wow on skill alone and that is fine if you happen to be the best manipulator in the world. But, to me, I feel you need to add more to a manipulative routine to give your audiences more to grab ahold of and enjoy. If you have a cd, then use pantomime to tell the audience it is a cd. Do not just produce this item and start vanishing it. Tie it into your act's storyline or your character. There are many subtle ways in which you can let the audience know you are using cds and that is what they are. For example, you can be at home and you place a tape into the boom boix. All of a sudden the music gets garbled and your tape gets eaten. You take the tape out and look at it. Suddenly in a flash the tape vanishes into a cd. The Cd is placed into the boom box and is played. Then another appears at your finger tips but as each cd appears, the music changes along with it. Now in this simple example, you show and tell your audience exactly what they are and you have a reason and purpose for producing them. Think outside of the box. Kyle
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2005-08-10 16:43, majical wrote: So, What you audience is telling you is, it is not the item, but the performer. If you want to try to correct it, tape your act and see what they are talking about. You are not conveying your magic so the audience understands what you are doing. Of course if you are performing for senior citizens, then it is that they do not know waht a CD is. Consider your audience also. Or just move on, if this item is not your area then move to something that interest you more. |
RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
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On 2005-08-11 01:05, wmhegbli wrote: Yeah the heck with all that, I'm a rebel and have decided to just produce say twenty 8-track tapes or entire LP's (especially those that open up!) from a pile of silks. Just kiddin'. Actually I've wondered the same here wmhegbli - for those who use CD's, what if the audience doesn't know what a CD is! By now most do but I guess they'd be left to sit there and wonder over the production of those "shiney coasters". |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
You bet-ya, some people will not go near a computer or waste time or money on those new small phonograph records.
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majical New user 95 Posts |
Just to clarify, I have not performed CD manipulation in front of an audience yet. Thus it is not something I am doing wrong in my performance!
I have read comments on other performers acts; such critiques coming from the likes of Sue-Anne Webster (or was it Tim Ellis...I'm always getting those two confused!) I do strongly agree with the point of making the CDs part of the routine; making them more than just shiny circles. I think I'll stick with it, and see if I can make it look good and make sense. |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Majical,
If you like the effect do it. Doing magic effects because of what other say or do will not come out well in the end. I believe your heart must be in what you do. |
Tim Ellis V.I.P. Melbourne, Australia 1234 Posts |
Hi! Just thought I'd clarify our thoughts on CD magic. Often we see people doing, essentially, card manipulation acts with CDs. The problem we have is that CDs, being silver, reflect the light and are, as a result, often hard to see compared with a matte coloured object.
Often performers take one CD and split it into two. To be honest, it doesn't come across as very imppressive as anyone who uses CDs knows they sometimes stick together as one in daily handling. I definitely think they are legitimate objects to use in a magic act, but I think they have their pros and cons that any performer should be aware of: PRO - They are familiar objects to the audience, they are used to store music and data, they look modern and flashy. CONS - They reflect the light a lot and it becomes hard to see whether you have one or two or more in your hand at any one time. If you use a CD, try to make it do something that a CD simply doesn't do - like fly. Try a Hummer Card effect with a CD. Other effects like colour change (they come in many colours anyway), CD become clear (you get clear CDs in with packs of 50), broken and restored (on stage it's hard to tell if it's really restored or not because they are so shiny. So Majical, we commend your perserverance and wish you well in your quest for innovative CD magic. Good luck! TIM ELLIS Try our tasty new blog! http://www.MagicUnlimited.Typepad.com
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murby New user 29 Posts |
Hey Guys,
I've been interested in starting with CD manipulation, so I was wondering if anyone could give us some links to some helpful resources, like books, videos etc. Thanks |
DerekMerdinyan Inner circle 1030 Posts |
Don't think there is that much on the subject. However, send me an email, I may be able to get you started.
Derek Merdinyan |
Deucemc Regular user originally Honolulu, Hawaii 116 Posts |
I love cd manipulations. I haven't done them on stage yet, still working the walk around close up gigs. I've found out cd manipulations are awesome for people. I produce the a regular cd then vanish, produce etc. Then I change it into a mini disc. I use jumbo coin manips to handle the mini disc. I like using the mini discs over jumbo coins cause my wifey makes me wear my ring all the time so I have to perform with it on. Of course I've learned to work around it with coin work. (by taking it off hehe J/K) Anyway, if you like it do it. I do it for close up. If you can do it for close up you can do it anywhere.
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BenSalinas Special user Coinoscenti 746 Posts |
Murby,
Check out John T. Sheets CD Manipulation Manual from Denny & Lee's ( http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.......m=004172 ) . It's a very well put together act, logical and very visual. It's a great resource! Ben S
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Roland78 Special user Torino, Italy 567 Posts |
I would not put on a whole routine about CDs but insert them in another routine. For example, I'm doing the Dream of Aces, and I say that this effect is nice if performed with the correct music. I have my cd player on the table, click on it, but it doesn't work, open it and the cd isn't inside. I patter something about having forgotten it, and I suddenly produce it from the thin air. If the audience doesn't know you are going to do magic with the cd, the effect is stronger, in my opinion.
I have tried doing something with the IT and a CD, but haven't find a nice way to float it now. And the shiny surface reflect the light against the thread and it's like backlighting it, so there's danger to reveal it. Have you ever used IT with CDs? Do you have suggestions? Dave |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Check out Dick Zimmerman Dancing CD routine. I believe Hank Lee still carries it on his site. CD dances on a rope.
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
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On 2005-10-04 19:43, wmhegbli wrote: Hehehehe. Well can't accuse him of not keeping up with the times. Is this like his dancing ring on a rope which he did for so many years past? |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Yes it is, the same effect except uses a CD!
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
New video out showing the CD manipulation of"Showoff CD Maniplation" of Eddy Ray. This is all sleight of hand magic, showing vanishes, exchanges, apprearences of CD, plus small CD's to large CD's. This stuff is good magic.
Finally, someone giving some of the handling. Get it at http://www.stoners.com it is so new it is not on the web site yet so email or call to place an order. It is only $30. |
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