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Bob Johnston Inner circle Philadelphia, PA 1251 Posts |
Phaddad2:
I have had this happen on two occasions. The reason is that the child goes home and tells Mom or Dad that a magician did a trick with peanut butter (this results in a blizzard of phone calls to the school), never mind that you used a substitute product. In a classroom show I did, I told the kids that I have a PB jar and a Jelly jar but I am not using any real PB just is case someone hear is allergic. In the classroom setting this has worked well, but it may not work in a auditorium setting with all the chatter. In the classroom, both the teacher and I felt that the kids understood. ALSO: Most classroom teachers know if any of the children are PB sensitive. Bob |
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phaddad2 Regular user 171 Posts |
That's what happens. at an elementary school the younger kids no matter what is told to them the see and believe what they want. It works to our advantage with most magic but not with pb+j. all they remember is you did something with peanut butter. It really is not worth it for me to do the trick when thee is so much else available.
Pete H. |
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phaddad2 Regular user 171 Posts |
Bob,
You need to make one more post that is a bad number of posts. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
What if there are kids alergic to wool or cotton, should everyone wear nylon? Wait, is there a nylon alergy? What about silks? If someone is alergic to silk they will have to go, no silks, and painted items, could contain chemicals the kids may react to, there goes a number of props. I think I'll have to become a mime to avoid alergies. Unless...a grease paint alergy! I'd hate to see how a child would react from being a couple yards from a jar that may contain peanut butter. What if the poor lil' dear rushes the stage, forces open the container and eats the contents? Oh lawdy! What if the magician goes insane, ties the poor waif up with silks, that the child may have an alergy to, and then smears peanut butter all over them!
Steve V |
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flourish dude Inner circle from ? But I know where I am going! 1195 Posts |
You could change the labels. It does not have to be PB and J. If the school has a Peanut allergy then I would not bring it in. I had a school with a latex allergy and I had to drop my balloon routine. I Agree there is no danger in using the PB & J illusion but IF your the mom of the child that could die over peanuts and you hear there was a jar of peanut butter in the show you would not know it was fake. Just be smart about it, is it really worth all the hassle that could come about. I would think not! If they have a peanut allergy in the school and it is posted then leave the effect out.
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phaddad2 Regular user 171 Posts |
Steve, I agree that it can sometimes go to far but, That is the world we live in today. This is still something you have to think about when you do many school show.
Pete H. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
I'm checking, can't find alergies on the top list of kid killers, I'll keep looking. It might be with the Balloon Swords Cause War articles.
Steve V |
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phaddad2 Regular user 171 Posts |
Just trying to let you know what I have experianced.
Pete H. |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
My lovely bride is a teacher, if a kid in her class is alergic to peanuts then they don't get anything with peanuts in it. Some kids are vegetarians (mostly Indian), they don't get meat. Good times and no one whines.
Steve V |
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magicbob116 Inner circle 1522 Posts |
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On 2005-10-29 14:44, magic4u02 wrote: magic4u02: No offense taken. Perhaps I should have been clearer in my post. A little background might be a good start... I'm not a professional perfoming magician or even considering breaking into the business. I just enjoy performing for family and friends. Perhaps the word "routine" was not the correct one to use. Maybe "handling" is more accurate? The problem is what was provided for instructions was (at least in my opinion) less than even the basics. As an example, if you purchased the card trick "NFW" you would not expect to receive three aces and a couple of gaff cards along with a piece of paper that says something like "the gaff cards provided will allow you to make the jokers turn face down and then transform into aces. Have fun and use your imagination to develop your own routine." A beginner/intermediate amateur needs INSTRUCTIONS. Let's be honest, even a professional would be kind of ticked if they received vague instructions like that for an effect like "NFW." Should PB&J be any different? For PB&J what I'm looking for is not someone else's ideas on how to PRESENT the effect (i.e. patter, etc.), but to know what should be done when. I will definitely make the effect "my own" by devising a presentation that fits my style. But, given my limited experience, I need to know WHAT to present before I can come up with HOW I'm going to present it. Does that make sense? I've played around with it some and, of course, I understand that the PB & the J switch places. But I wanted to make sure I wasn't screwing up some key element of the basic "handling" (i.e. should I be doing something other than making the PB & the J switch places?). The suggestions of a sponge (or real) sandwich production as a climax is something that I had thought of. But even before that occurs, I was wondering if there is more to it than a straightforward sequence of transpositions from one side to the other. Just curious (as I was not aware that there was a "licensed" version of this and "knock-off" versions)... does the "licensed" version come with more detailed instructions for the handling of this effect? If so, would anyone be so kind as to share a scan of them or something since my "knock-off" version didn't include any instructions? I greatly appreciate any help with this. And if it's just supposed to be PB_____J, J______PB, PB______J, J______PB, ??????, then even a short post explaining that would be great. Ok. I know I've already written a novella here, but on a different yet related topic... I also purchased a used "Run Rabbit Run" that had no instructions (the price was too good to pass up). Here again, I have figured out the basic mechanics, but could use some help in figuring out when I should be opening the back doors. Is it most effective to open everytime the rabbit disappears (even though they saw him run to the other side), so the audience can see all the way through, or is it more effective to reserve that until the end when he really does vanish? If it helps, I don't plan to present this as "and now the rabbit has disappeared!" but rather as I tell the story, I'm expecting him to be behind the door when I open it and I'm surprised he's not there. I can't find him, but the audience knows that he ran to the other side and they see him peeking out, etc. I could open that back door as I'm "searching" for him, but since the audience SAW him run to the other side, is that overkill? I'm planning on loading an extra rabbit onto a spectator's back or maybe have it on my back the entire time. Rather than presenting as a "sucker" trick per se where I "prove" that he really did disappear even though the audience thinks he's on the other side, I want it to be like it's as much a surprise to me where he turns up as it is to the audience (which is why I'm considering having him on MY back... I pretend not to know he's there). All advice appreciated. Thanks!
B. Robert Pulver
The "I Hate Card Tricks!" Book of Card Tricks Vol. 1, 2, and 3 Kards for Kids Sticky Situations Sleightly Wacky http://www.magicnook.com/magicbob |
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
One note, a professional wouldn't be doing NFW he/she would be doing Twixter by Jason Alford, found, if I recall, in the Febuary 2000 issue (1999?) of Magic.
Steve V |
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magicbob116 Inner circle 1522 Posts |
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On 2005-10-30 23:56, Steve V wrote: But you'd still expect to get a tutorial on how the effect is done, right?
B. Robert Pulver
The "I Hate Card Tricks!" Book of Card Tricks Vol. 1, 2, and 3 Kards for Kids Sticky Situations Sleightly Wacky http://www.magicnook.com/magicbob |
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phaddad2 Regular user 171 Posts |
At least the bare bones
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts |
The instructions are complete and yes, you should get at least bare bones dang it.
Steve V |
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