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Matt Graves Special user Huntsville, Alabama (USA) 504 Posts |
I'm sort of changing the subject, but the title of this was "uninteresting coin magic" , so . . . I've always had a passion for coin magic, and I mean a strong one. There is no kind of magic I like better. But there is so much talk about magic not being entertaining enough and not having meaning for audiences - and for the life of me I can't put deep meaning into a coin effect. Yet I love coin tricks . . . for a lot of the reasons mentioned in this thread. Has anybody got some thoughts on this? I've got Modern Coin Magic, and I've about worn it out over the last three or four years. Thomas Nelson Downs made a good career out of almost nothing but coins. I wonder if that's still possible today, or would it be too boring to people?
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Nothing puts me to sleep like a good David Roth video. I'm not sure why.
I'll never get rid of them, however. He's a master but most coin routines are to me, also uninteresting. I don't think the routines I like are performed very often from what I read in these Coin threads but wsduncan up there gave you some good info that I'll repeat because he spoke of exactly the tricks that I DO like. Perhaps, like myself, coin magic will be brought to life for you with formal effects like John Ramsay's Cylinder and Coins which is done to perfection by John Carney (though a slightly different version). You can check out his Carneycopia book and his Up Close and Far Away Video for the work to this masterpiece. I prefer it over the original Ramsay routine. The other effect that is unbelieveable is David Roth's Purse and Glass. This is on the David Roth #3 video and is Pure, Absolute, Stunning Magic. I do not like the effect better than Cylinder and Coins but when you watch the method after the performance you will just giggle with delight (as I think Dan Watkins pointed out months ago here). In the back of David Roth's book there are many formal coin effects that are really great and you'd never know he was so darn creative from watching his videos (except purse and glass on #3). The man is a genious. Purse and Glass is supposed to be my next coin project once I get off my azz and learn it. Lastly, (aren't you glad) those formal routines require tremendous misdirection and timing to pull them off. The slights are NOT usually that demanding but you're talking months and months and months of practice before you're ready to even show it to your dog. Then you have to perform it for a real audience as much as possible to keep it smooth. At least that's the way it is with me. The payoff, however, is more than worth the time put into them. I truely believe I learned more about how to perform magic in general by studying Cylinder and Coins than anything else.
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Frank, if you like the formal stuff, I believe you would enjoy David Roth's "Classic Showpieces" video where he performs some of the formal effects from the back of his book, namely: The Funnel, The Rainbow, the Sleeve, and the Planet.
If you have a DVD player get Roth's Ultimate Coin Magic DVD #3 because you not only get "Classic Showpieces", but his "Live in Sacramento" lecture on that DVD as well for basically the same price as buying just one tape. |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Thanks Dan. I will pick that up for sure.
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Chris "linkster" Watson Special user England 564 Posts |
I have to say with a few exceptions I get more excited by reading a coin routine rather than seeing it performed. I think by reading you can use your imagination to picture how the routine will look and then try through practice to aspire to that vision of it.
I say this with a few exceptions one being Gary Kurtz performing "Misty Like a Dream" that is hands down the most magical routine I have ever seen and as for the problem of video not showing the best performance angles... if that's the case Gary must have required paramedics on standby for his live show. For those not interested in coin magic watch Garys performance on his "making Magic" Video and then come back and chat, you'll be singing from the same sheet as the rest of us coin freaks |
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Jeff Chesnut New user Ada, Michigan 56 Posts |
I highly recommend Michael Ammar's DVD "The Complete Introduction to Coin Magic." This is a great DVD for beginner's (like me). I've just started with coins and have found this DVD invaluable. He starts off assuming you know nothing, even the most basic palms, and progresses from there. Most of the tricks are easy to comprehend, they'll just take practice to look good.
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deuces New user Toronto, Ontario 63 Posts |
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On 2002-11-01 15:36, sethbek wrote: hey the matrix routines really perked my interest. Are these taught as slight of hand (perhaps in Bobo), or gimmicked? Right now I'm considering adding coin routines to my card stuff and using both elements would be perfect!
"Hockey eh?"
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Al Schneiders is not gimmicked. There are both gimmicked and ungimmicked versions available, just like most coin plots.
Check out Dean Dill's "Intimate Coin Miracles" for a lot of good work on the sleight of hand needed for Matrix. |
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Matrix You just said the Magic word. I love Matrix. And Have 100 or so handings some in my books And some not in print yet!
Best David Neighbors The Coinjurer |
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Beetroot Loyal user 267 Posts |
It's been a while since I last posted here. I've been trying to make a decision as to what to buy for some time. I decided to just buy Bobo's book for starters and I'm glad (for now) that I stopped there. There is certainly a lot to learn!!! After practising some of the concealments and sleights I nipped off to Dan Watkin's website (www.coinvanish.com) and had a go at his "Sticky Coins" Routine. Great Stuff!!!!
I performed to my wife (I've a long way to go before showing anyone else!) and she was astounded. I loved her reaction at the end when I showed my empty hand and she said "but I heard the second coin drop into your hand?!?!?!". BRILLIANT!!! Thanks again Dan. I'm now keenly interested in coin magic. While I'm here, though, two points: 1. Bobo's book is quite big (and I didn't realise there was a "New" version until just before Christmas). Any recommendations on effects that I could focus on? 2. I've seen a number of matrix effects over recent times and I've not been that impressed. The ones that I have seen always look like the coins are just being picked up and moved elsewhere. But there seem to be a lot of matrix style effects around. Why is the effect so popular? I imagine I've just not seen the good presentations. WOAH!!!! I just looked at the links posted by Seth and they are great! Haven't a clue how the Chink-a-chink or Matrix clips are done. I feel a hole burning in my pocket..... Thanks all, looking forward to more suggestions, Beetroot |
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three_spot New user 45 Posts |
hey this is a great discussion! there was another similar one over here
http://www.magicbunny.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3017 |
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Clayman Loyal user New Jersey 243 Posts |
Once you see one of the greats do one of their coin routines, you will definetly get fired up and trip on your own feet trying to get some old coins or halfs to try and mimick them. That's what I love about the internet, back when I kinda lost my grip on Magic (many moons ago), I had no way to get motivation. I had no Magic clubs or shops near me. I was motivated for a short time by one shop that had opened for about 1 year. Now with the net , you get the chance to see Greats from convention clips or whatever mpg's. I think that once you can see someone do a coin miracle , you will begin to do coins also.
"A flash of silvery light ..and it was gone."
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johnr733 New user Denver, CO 66 Posts |
The thing that's great about coins is that they can be totally impromptu anywhere, anytime. This alone is a reason to learn and master it.
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Daniel Faith Inner circle Neenah, Wisconsin 1526 Posts |
I agree with Dan 100%.
Coins are a natural in magic for all the reasons he listed. I really can't imagine anyone not wanting to learn at least a couple effects if they consider themselves a magician. First a couple, then your hooked needing more and more!
Daniel Faith
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cataquet Veteran user England 363 Posts |
I love doing coin magic: Roth's slot okito box routine is fantastic, and his shell coins across and C/S routines are masterpieces of economy of motion. The BIG problem with most of coin work is that it doesn't play big. If I have more than six people at a table, I drop the coin magic. In many cases, it just can't be seen or heard. You could do the effect for a few people, but the others often lose interest because they can't quite see what's going on.
For example, in coins across, if you're more than a couple of feet away you really can't see what's going on, and certainly can't hear the coins travel. In many cases, I use one spectator and have the coins travel from one side of his head to the other. I don't do this as a comic effect, but rather to emphasise the instant when the coin arrives. When he hears that the other coin has landed, his facial expression gives all the emphasis I need to open the hands and show the result. Bye for now Harold
Harold Cataquet
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Harold,
There are plenty of effects that can be done for a table of six or more. I have done coin magic with a room of 40-50 people watching and they could all see it. Do coin magic that keeps the coins up at face and chest level so everyone can see. Visible coins across, coin flurries, jumbo coin finales, Fingertip wild coin plots, etc. I agree most coin magic is for real close up intimate situations, but there is applications for parlor type settings. |
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
You Can also do A coins to glass! So that hear
The Coins Jump over as well as see the coins jump over! And there is outher stuff Ramsays Three coins and A hat And jumbo coin stuff! Best David Neighbors The Coinjurer |
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