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ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
Hi,
I was recently impressed by a booklet describing a trick using a stack of 3 envelopes. The trick calls for a bit of manipulation with the envelopes; specifically a series of double lifts and turnovers. I tried a couple of turnovers that work fine with playing cards, but the results with the envelopes weren’t picture perfect. The envelopes are a bit thicker than cards (mostly due to the flaps) and, if a spectator pays attention, he’ll be able to see that I’m turning two envelopes. I’ll add that I’ve been using No. 3 coin envelopes that are 2.5” by 4.25”. I was wondering if someone could provide very specific instructions for the most deceptive DL/Turnover using coin envelopes. Thanks, Elliott |
RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
Hi Elliott:Let me first say that I am not a card expert.That is why I use an unortodox style of DL.The only other performer I have seen that does something similar is Eddie Tullock the great Trade Show magician.I tried it with the No.3 envelopes and it works fine.Basically it is as follows:
Hold the three envelopes in a dealers grip in LH.Gently lift up top 2 at rear with pad of right thumb to get a left pinkie break under middle envevlope.Now approach from above with right middle finger at upper left corner and right thumb at lower left corner turn over the top two envelopes book style to the right.They are easy to keep squared using this method.Of course you should still watch your angles,so they don't see a double thickness.Try it before a mirror,I think you may like it.Best. Rich |
PsiDroid Inner circle 2164 Posts |
Eliott if you are willing to sacrifice the envelopes you can adapt the working to index cards.You must slighly adapt the handling but I solved it like that and it works fine *for me*
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Tom Lauten Special user 689 Posts |
It seems PaleoMagi and I share a common DL technique...hmmm...how funny!
I would also suggest Elliot that a bit of verbal and motion misdirection will give you that split second oppertunity to "do the dirty" with little chance of detection. Don't rush, give yourself plenty of relaxed time around the point of the DL. Your "guilt" and speed to "get though" the move may signal "something fishy" to the spectator at the EXACT moment you need them to be caught off-guard. They won't be relaxed if you are not. Does that make sense?
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ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
Thanks to all.
I’ll try out your suggestions when I get home tonight. Elliott |
ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
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On 2005-12-01 04:26, PaleoMagi wrote: Thanks. That’s a really great DL. I tried it with cards and it looks fantastic. I guess the cards are turned over by pivoting them against either the other cards or the left finger tips I tried it with envelopes and I had a little trouble. The envelopes are thicker than cards, but not as stiff. Therefore, they buckled a little when I turned them over. Also, unlike when I tried it with cards, my right middle finger didn’t always automatically lift two envelopes. I think I am beginning to see the source of my difficulties. I’ve been focusing on the fancy DL’s that I use for cards. There are some easier DL’s that might be more appropriate for envelopes. I remember one from The Magic Book. You get a break with the lift pinky. The right thumb enters the break and moves to the middle of right side of the card. It is touching the face. The right first and second fingers contact the card on top at the same spot. Your right hand is now facing palm down. You turn your right hand palm up and the two cards go with it. If you do the move with envelopes, you can tilt your left hand up (as if you are turning it palms down . . . except you only turn it a little bit) while you turn over the two envelopes with your right hand. This completely covers the move. Thanks again, Elliott |
ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
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On 2005-12-01 08:14, PsiDroid wrote: That’s a very interesting idea. I’ll have to give some thought about how to best accomplish it. Regarding presentation, it seems that there are some plusses and minuses. It may be possible to negate the minuses with the appropriate patter. I will also consider the technical aspects. Thanks, Elliott |
ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
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On 2005-12-01 08:29, Tom Lauten wrote: Yes. I definitely agree that misdirection is very important. I also think that there will be less heat on the envelopes than if I were using cards. I honestly think spectators won’t bother paying attention 70% of the time. Still, there will come a time when someone will burn my hands. The trick is so good, that I don’t want to ever risk exposing it with a slip-up on the DL. That’s why I want to make sure I cover all the bases. Thanks, Elliott |
RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
Hello again Elliott:I am happy to hear you are making progress with all these great suggestions.As far as the envelopes buckling during the lift..remember a light touch is usually the best way to go.I used Staples brand No.3..and they are fairly stiff.A couple of other suggestions:Look at the spec's when the lift is executed,and don't blink(I have to combat this all the time)or make any other guilty motions.Just THINK that what you are doing is what they are supposed to THINK you are doing.I hope that makes sense.Best.
Rich |
100ch New user Sheffield UK 43 Posts |
A downs change could be the perfect alternative here
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