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DaiBato Veteran user 310 Posts |
Corporate world magic is a huge venue for us magicians; however, truthfully, I am not a fan of the corporate world, either in dealing with corporate types or (gulp) having to work for them during a magic show.
So can you make a living in magic without dealing with the corporate world, or should I just go back to the wheat germ farm I came from? Dai Bato |
icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts |
Corporate types are great to work for, they pay you well, treat you great and keep you in business.- It can be a shock at first dealing with some rude event managers but don't let that scare you off.
ever wanted to travel around the world, visit exciting places, get paid a lot then this is corporate now on the other hand weddings is good and good pay as well kids parties schools fairs pitchman sell those Svengali Bars and retaurants---but this is worse than Corporate---not much pay and dealing with people wanting to pay you penuts and then cutting you at the next budget cut. plenty of people do make a living doing kids & Family stuff the real trick is to make a descision and then go after it I prefer corporate work I work Corporate stage shows (30 minutes) after dinner MY Unique Elite Roving show Trade show stand work weddings |
TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
GREAT Topic for discussion!
In the seemingly never-ending race for the all-mighty buck, we sometime forget WHY we are in this business in the first place. Here is my own personal experience, observations (The TESTED Stuff…) and 'opinions'. (YES, even 'opinion', which is something I usually refrain from sharing.) As professional "solutions providers" (se; 'in this case' performer.) I think we MUST honor and follow our passions as an artisan and performer and THEN find a way to make THAT produce equitable solutions for our 'desired' market share to which we would then be substantially rewarded for... financially, artistically, emotionally …etc. Over time, I agree that that has a tendency to change for each of us. I used to LOVE performing in Casino Showrooms as I did quite successfully for nearly twenty years in Reno, Tahoe, Las Vegas, Atlantic City blah, blah, blah blah... NOW, I find it rather repulsive for my own personal reasons, which I will not go into here, now... BUT, I DO still consults, speak and train for the international casino gaming industry in the arena of marketing and inter-personal relations success, (Guest Relations, Employee Relations, Marketing Relations etc...) with great joy, satisfaction and success! I am following my passion and making profitable, and in my experience, THAT is the best way to create the lifestyle worth pursuing! If you are attempting to force a square peg into a round hole, you may be eventually be able to FORCE it in and have some small degree of success, but your will never truly produce your most sustainable and profitable results 'as-if' you really do fit in to that round hole... it’ll never really quite work to the best of your success. Simply put, and in my experience, you will have the greatest success when you find your passion and then discover the way to make it pay! ALL the greatest examples of success are JUST THAT! - Nautilus - David Copperfield - Cornel Harlan Sanders - Lance Burton - Thomas Edison - Penn & Teller - Dr. Robert Schuler - Jeff McBride - Anthony Robbins - Joel Bauer ...and anyone you will find that IS "TRULY" Successful! Good luck brother... find you PASSION and make it PAY! - You CAN Do It! Certainly, ther are also TONS of markets offered and yet to be offered where one can work and make HUGE money. Corporate is NOT the end-all, be-all by a long shot! I am at your service and In HIS Service, Deano <><
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
Jim Snack Inner circle 1338 Posts |
Great question, and once again, Dean hits the nail on the head. Follow your passion. If you are not passionate about business, then corporations may not be right for you.
There are many other venues where you can earn a good living as a magician. It begins with finding YOUR audience. Who do you like working for and who responds best to your act? Fairs and festivals are an important market for family entertainers. Colleges can be very lucrative, particularly for mentalists. If you love working with children or young adults, you can make a great living doing school programs. And let's not forget theaters. There are many possible roads to follow, but it begins with an honest assessment of yourself and your act. Then research possible niche markets, and find some successful people to model. Chances are good that someone has already gone a particular route before you. Or you may even discover a new way to bring your magic to the world AND earn a good living doing so. Jim |
TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Jim,
How'd you get to be so smart? …Oh, I know, you read that "Success In Magic"! book! (Hehehehehehe!) Funny thing is, I have seen Jim speak, and I will treasure it as one of the true delights in my life cuz it is always way more than satisfying to see someone who truly understands, and does his “Passion!" - Inspiring to say the least! THANKS for being YOU Jim! Yooz da’ BEST! I am, as always, at your service and In HIS Service, Deano <><
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
Reuben Dunn Inner circle Has a purple ribbon wraped around my 1592 Posts |
Let me ask a "basic" how to question here, since Dean and Jim are here.
I am looking to move back to the US from England within the next 10 months or so, Southern California to be exact. I'm a fairly decent (Modesty mode stuck in the on position.) "Mentalist" and am excited to get back and don't want to sit in performance limbo. Any ideas on how I can get on the ladder for gigs? I've done a few shows for some national charities, as well as a corportate party or two. Any ideas? |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Seems like another thread to me dosn't it mindguy?
As far as the original topic goes cudos to Jim and Dean! There are many many environments to work in. When they say find your passion they are so right. As a matter of fact "finding your passion" will open up NEW dors that somene else may or may not think to branch into! This causes creativity and stimulates thinking, 2 very helpfull tools to the working magician.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Reuben, brother,
I am on the run and out the door right now, can I get back to you on this one... I feel yet another "Long Winded" post coming on! (Hehehehe! - Kidding, kind-of, since most of you KNOW the way I tend to post! Ha!) So I will submit my apologies in advance, for the possibility of the long post now! (HA!) "Help, I'm posting and I can't shut up!" I am at your service and In HIS Service, Deano <>< Danny, Jim and others here have incredibly valuable insights to share as well! Party On!
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
Reuben Dunn Inner circle Has a purple ribbon wraped around my 1592 Posts |
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On 2006-01-19 12:15, Dannydoyle wrote: Perhaps....Care to join me then? |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Sure I just veer off topic a LOT and try to avoid it sorry my bad
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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