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The GodFather Regular user 105 Posts |
Post your suggestions regarding manipulation decks that are available in the market.
Also give some web pages if you know for thin and ultara thin manipulative decks. I personally use regular bee cards.
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calimagician Regular user 143 Posts |
Hey there--
Since I have been "finger flinging" cards for about thirty years, maybe I can offer my opinion. Bees work well. They are what I and many others started with . But others you might consider might would be-- POKER SIZED (Which is what I use since I have rather large hands) Crusaders AARCO Double Diamond Backs Steamboat "999" (My personal favorite) All of the above will need to be "prepped" and "broken in". Lewis Ganson's manipulation books will help you there. Some manipulators like to "wax" their cards, while others prefer dusting or applying fanning powder with a small cotton ball. Also there used to be small wooden box type slides that you would fill with the zinc sterate and "slide" the cards though one at a time. Years ago when working with Ken Griffin he taught me to use a paper bag with small amount of powder in it and just do the "shake and bake" method. Then take out the cards and riffle them to get rid of excess. Best done outside. Still using that method and it works great for me. Then there are the purest. Nothing on the cards at all. Back to the cards-- There are also BRIDGE SIZED. The best of which I think would be the decks sold by Norm Neilsen. Too small for me, but until he began having his own made, Lance Burton used Norm's cards. Very thin and flexible, and something I wish came in POKER SIZE. There are other "manipulation cards" out there, but I am not certain othe makes, since I use "over the counter" cards. But trust, there will be plenty of patrons of The Magic Café that can fill you in on that info....and they will! Very giving folks here in "the Café". Of course you will need to prepare them as well, but because of the thiness they will not need breaking in as much. Best of luck, Michael |
cardone Special user 860 Posts |
Bee... nutin on em......just break them in......The silicone on the cards repels the powder....
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Townsend1 Regular user 106 Posts |
If you are talking stage manipulations like back palming, split fans, etc. I prefer Norm Neilsen cards. Their very thin and pliable and many can be held quite easily.
Go to this link and scroll down. http://www.daytonamagic.com/Card%20Magic/CA008.htm |
Sam Tabar Inner circle Austin, Texas 1050 Posts |
Here are a couple of threads that have been previously discussed in the Café. You can then use the search function to look for other similar topics.
What type of Manipulation Cards to buy Manipulation Cards Best cards for manipulations Manipulation Cards
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Tony Brent Regular user Orlando, Florida 156 Posts |
You can backpalm easily twice as many Neilsen cards as you can Bee or Bicycle cards due to their size. The Bees/Bicycle cards "snap" better if you are doing a Perfect Production, however for backpalming go with Neilsen.
Tony Brent Orlando, Florida Outta Control Magic Show |
cardone Special user 860 Posts |
I find that with split fans, the palming cards rip.....too paper thin.....A lot of card manipulators don't't do traditional split fans.......Chen, Burton...never split then Back P...m...
I have a set of Neilsen cards from about 15 years ago... Very different ...much more like card stock than paper...... |
Levent Special user USA 801 Posts |
In the late 1970s there were some different cards that were very good for manipulation. I remember Jeff McBride turned me on to a brand called the “Crusaders”. They were terrific but unfortunately they disappeared from the market.
Also there was a good deck that was sold at the “Path Mark” supermarkets and they also were discontinued. For a while I used the “Steamboat” deck and they were ok. By the early, 1980s I used the Nielsen cards. I liked them, but because I was doing my act twice a night, six days a week. I found that the Nielsen decks just didn’t hold up to the abuse that my card routine had caused. Also I found that audience members would pick up and take the cards home thinking that they were souvenirs. Soon I began using red backed Hoyle “PGC”s (Professional Gambling Cards). I really liked them and I purchased about 100 decks. Over time I began to notice that the quality is was very uneven. Some decks were pretty much unusable. But you would only find this out after the laborious break in period. Eventually out of frustration I went to the red backed Bees. They are available everywhere. The price is reasonable and the quality is consistent. Best regards, Levent
Levent
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manal Inner circle York ,PA. 1412 Posts |
Aviators,$1.99 a pack.
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Darkwing Inner circle Nashville Tn 1850 Posts |
I like the Bees for split fans and snap productions. The Norm Nielson cards work well for single card productions. I've found the Aviators don't powder well. The Bees hold powder very well. Forgive me for disagreeing with you, Manal, but I didn't have much luck with the Aviators.
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Tony Brent Regular user Orlando, Florida 156 Posts |
I agree with Levent that Nielsen's don't hold up too well under heavy use. I keep about four Nielsen decks at any given time and take a deck out of play when I feel it's getting "soft". I then powder it and put it in a press and rotate in another one. I do two shows nightly, six nights a week as well.
The Nielsen's work well for me due to angles in the main room I work, plus I don't do split fans or perfect productions anymore, and my routine is very short. Best wishes, Tony Brent Orlando, Florida Outta Control Magic Show |
Silvernail Regular user 128 Posts |
I prefer using steamboats or bee's
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
The point we need to consider is - how often will you be performing the card production routine?
If you are only performing it occasionally then you can use the cards recommended above. But you have to try them out first before knowing it works for you. What is suitable for one magician may not be suitable for another. If you are performing the card production routine everyday, I believe no cards can take the abuse. Some may drop on the floor (or all of them if you are dropping them on the floor), some may be taken away by the audience or even the stage hands, and over time your deck will not be complete and some cards may be stepped on (by you, your assistant or any stage hands). The solution is to find a deck that is suitable for you and you need lots of them if you are performing the card act everyday. My conclusion is there is no best deck for card manipulation. What works for some may not work for others - apply in this case. |
NickJegor Elite user Lithuania 466 Posts |
This is my little list of cards that I manipulate with:
Bees ' Bridge Size ' Royal ' Bridge Size ' Atlasnyje ' Bridge Size ' - Available in Lithuania, Russia, in all old USSR... |
spencinator New user New York 3 Posts |
In jeff McBrides card manipulation vol.2 dvd, he teaches how to make manipulation cards, all you need is a pack of red bee cards, fanning powder, a ruler, a big plastic bag and a norm neilsen card press.
Spencinator
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ReDeFiNe Loyal user Singapore 275 Posts |
UGM from Japan have some nice fanning manipulation cards.. I prefer to wax the cards then powder it,this gives a smooth touch and they work really well when performing split fans productions..
regards, Jeremy |
LarryTaylor New user Miamisburg Ohio 72 Posts |
I use BEES, I strip them then powder them. When I where them out I toss em. No biggie.I have heard of using wax or parifin, Shimada, my favorite magician of all time uses parafin. I wish I knew the way to applicate the parafin of wax. For me the little bridge manipulation cards are too small , I ware them out in no time and the cost too much and they offer no snap. But for fanning routines they are really nice.
Magical Entertainer,teacher and creative consultant.
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Dmann Inner circle Crossville, Tennessee 1683 Posts |
I have to agree with James Tong. His points are extremly purtanant. What is good for one Magician may not be right for the other. I personally prefer...Murphy's Manipulation cards and Red Bee Backed cards.
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gordonmj Regular user 141 Posts |
My preference if you are interested is actually Wadingtons number 1's.
booya!
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