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teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Hi, has anybody read these boooks
Bill O'Connell Covert Hypnosis ? Kein How to use waking hypnosis David Elman Hypnotherapy Are they good books? Do they have any new or unusual ideas in them I have read lots of hypnosis books and they all seem pretty much the same Can anybody give any insight into them, please? Cheers TJ |
Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
Hypnotherapy by Dave Elman is considered a classic for therapeutic hypnotic applications. Gerry Kein is also an excellent instructor and, though I haven't read that specific manual, I have heard some excellent comments about all of his work and would venture a guess that it is worth a read.
O'Connell, I haven't read, but I tend to approach anything on covert hypnosis with a very wary attitude as there is a lot of nonsense out there, especially the material published on web sites with videos attached that tell you how great they are. Especially when a search on his stuff turns up only ebay material and not much else. Caveat Emptor. Lee Darrow, C.H.
http://www.leedarrow.com
<BR>"Because NICE Matters!" |
teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Lee
You are spot on correct That is why I haven't parted with my money yet ;-) I am always interested in trance, semi-trance and suggestion stuff using covert language patterns and VAK confusion I am not interested in formal or stage hypnosis as such Because people here have mentioned them favourably I am willing to believe that these are good basic text books And that is exactly what I do not need more of I am looking for new 'ideas' or approaches The Elman book is supposed to have a section on 'Waking Hypnosis' but does it give the subject a full treatment or just a few rehashed paragraphs of old stuff? Thanks again,Lee Any body else have anything to add? Cheers TJ |
Scotty Mac Regular user 113 Posts |
TJ,
Can you clarify what you mean by new and unusual? Am I correct in understanding that you're more interested in NLP? If so, I'd recommend Larry McLauchlin's book Advanced Language Patterns Mastery. It's a workbook/e-book that breaks down some of the NLP language patterns. It's also important to hear and see the language patterns being practiced. Tonality and body language are important in really making things work. Kenrick Cleveland's material has been highly recommended to me by others, but it's a bit pricey. You might also check on the Tony Robbins material to see how he's using it. I have to agree with Lee, though. I'm a certified NLP Practitioner and I personally just don't buy into everything that I learned in the training I had. There is some good information without a doubt, but there are a number of things I'll still need to see in practice before I'm completely convinced they are effective. Also, don't assume people are stupid and don't know what you're doing when you use these techniques. I'm very critical of advertising that uses these techniques and get really uncomfortable with people who think they are using these techniques on me covertly. It definitely will create trust issues with other people if they know what you're doing. Scott |
teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Hi Scotty
EVERY word you write is spot on correct Advanced Language Patterns is a full list of every pattern known Once you have that one, you don't need an other book about patterns Then,as you say, you have to have a model for tonality etc. Again that is a limited area and when you have the basic skills, you can't learn much more (except,as you say, to be subtle and covert) I have most of the basic stuff available Do the books I mentioned Bill O'Connell Covert Hypnosis G Kein How to use waking hypnosis David Elman Hypnotherapy bring anything different/unusual/interesting to the books that are already out there? Here is one for you BLINK by Malcom Gladwell Chapter 2 explains some new research on which words you should be using This will validate some of the stuff you know but may have not been giving full consideration to TJ |
Scotty Mac Regular user 113 Posts |
TJ,
I don't't anything about Bill O'Connell's material other than what's on his web site. Having attended Jerry's course, the waking hypnosis that he mentioned is more of achieving a direct eyelock (no blinking allowed) with the person to begin the process of hypnosis. Our homework one evening was to practice keeping our eyes open as long as possible without blinking. It's kinda sorta an NLP technique, but Jerry teaches it as "waking hypnosis." I think it's only a DVD. The basic concepts are: 1. The mind of the subject must lock itself around a given idea. 2. The suggestion must not be objectionable to the subject. 3. Suggestions must be given with absolute confidence and assurance. Give it a try. When you begin to see the individual's eyes start to flutter you'll know you're making progress:). Dave Elman's book is really good and explains a lot of techniques for hypnotherapy. It's a good starting point for people wanting to know more about hypnosis and the potential of what can be done using hypnotic techniques. The copyright is 1964, but the techniques discussed are the foundation for many hypnotherapists. Again, probably not much help for NLPers since it is primarily about hypnosis, but transcripts of some of his sessions are included so you can see how the techniques are actually applied. Gil Boyne also sells recordings of Elman doing the sessions on his site. I'll have to check out Blink. Sounds interesting. Scott |
Scotty Mac Regular user 113 Posts |
Here's the link to Larry McLauchlin's website for those interested. He uses the techniques taught in the manual on his site and also has some free lessons which are very helpful:
http://www.nlpandhypnosis.com/ Scott |
teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Scott
Thanks for that great post/info I have only read up to Chapter 3 of BLINK but I have read chapter 2, 3 times It waws stuff that I already knew but now that I know it works, I can really use it ;-) TJ |
mesmer Inner circle 1186 Posts |
I havent read Bill O'Connell Covert Hypnosis, Kein How to use waking hypnosis
I did read David Elman Hypnotherapy its a good books....Not enough space for me here to give you the review |
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