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kramerica2010 Veteran user 329 Posts |
Does anyone know the history of false cuts? I was wondering today who had the first one ever
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Cody Fisher Special user 884 Posts |
False cuts have pretty much been around as long as there was card magic. It's probably hard to say who had the first. A better question might be who really advanced false cuts.
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scorch Inner circle 1480 Posts |
Or perhaps you might ask what are the first published false cuts. Somebody will know that, but codysf is right in that it would be impossible to say who performed false cuts first. It's almost certain that they originated at the gambling tables, but beyond that, who can say?
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mc_magi Special user Vancouver, BC 949 Posts |
I think Mr Harry Lorayne should know, he's after credits all the time so ... ?
You can try pm;ing him. But.. I don't really reccomend 1 on 1 "conversation" with him.... |
Mike Lowry New user Canada 79 Posts |
I have "The Discoverie of Witchcraft" which is the first book ever written in english about magic. I think there is something in it that breifly explains false shuffles. I'll check it again to make sure. I know the first published book on magic was written in french. I'd check into that and see if they mention anything in there. But I think the two previous posts are pretty much correct in assuming that it would be practically impossible to try and find the true origin of a false shuffle. These two previously mentioned books were published long after card magic was originated or even magic in general so I don't think they would accurately depict the origin of a false shuffle.
On a side note, check out Penn & Tellers Magical Mystery tour (I think that's what it's called). I have it at home and they go on these journeys to discover the origins of tricks such as the Cups and Balls, Linking Rings, and the Indian rope trick. The DVD has 3 different episodes for each trick and they're hilarious and quite interesting. |
NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
^ He is asking about false cuts, not false shuffles.
Of course, Erdnase takes you back to 1902. There are a few false cuts in there.
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mc_magi Special user Vancouver, BC 949 Posts |
Mike, there are several other books which "containedmagic section" before the witchcraft / magic book before that.. I think.... or at least I read that in the MAGIC magazine this month.
And... the 1st "magic book" it was said in the article was Latin. Of course it wasnt full magic book, but had little bits of "sections". The museum (which the article was on) didn't see the book as that magicial either, but that was as old as it got.. anyways.... I think it'd be like, who invented how to hold hards? etc... It'd be really hard to figure out if not impossible. |
Mike Lowry New user Canada 79 Posts |
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On 2006-05-04 06:05, NeoMagic wrote: Oh yah, sorry bout that. Good distinction NeoMagic. Here I am thinking to myself how annoying it can get when people get sidetracked from the original post and I'm unkowingly guilty of it myself. Anyways I'll try not to let it slip again. False cuts?..... Hmm I'll definitley have to look into that too. If you're like me your mind won't let you sleep until you've gotten to the bottom of things and this topic has definitely intrigued me. mc_magi, Any idea of the name and issue of that magazine you just read? I'd love to read the article. You might be right about the 1st publications on magic being written in Latin. I was pretty sure that the "Discoverie.." was the first english book ever published exclusively on the subject of Magic. A guy I know is a massive collector of authentic magic literature and he was telling about his collection. He republished the "Discoverie..." with his own notes added and I'm pretty sure he has an actual 1st printing of it. Anyways, one of the things I remember him saying (and seeing in the republished version I got from him) was that it was the first Book in english to be published completely on the explanation and instruction of magic. It was originally written with the intent to debunk magicians and such but turned into an instructional guide. Come to think of it, I might be wrong, I'll have to dig up my discoverie and check it again. But if you overhear, or read anything else mc_magi definitely let me know. I'd be totally interested in hearing about it. Mike |
mc_magi Special user Vancouver, BC 949 Posts |
It was...... April 2006 issue. (Let me go check lol) Yup it is. In it there was an article about Conjuring Arts Research Centre, which is owned, I believe by Bill Klaush. It's not a "totally historical" article since its about the RC, but has some really good tidbits.
Btw are you a magic book collector? I'm really new at this but learning the history and the origin of things have always fascinated me. |
Nathan Kranzo V.I.P. 2955 Posts |
That was a great article. Kalush could answer the question or at least shed some light on the subject I'm sure. The article also pointed out that "The Doscoverie..." was not the first English speaking magic book to be published contrary to popular belief.
All the best, Kranzo
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