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Tom DV Special user 694 Posts |
How do you feel about audience members recording your shows?
I'm sure most are only doing it to show to friends and family later and re-watch the magic and excitement, not to scrutinise the show in an attempt to work out how the 'tricks' are done. In any case, how do you feel about some doing this? Do you worry that angles might be exposed etc... Im fairly sure my show would stand up to such scrutiny, just interested in what your opinions are, if any prohibit such personal recordings or if others welcome it. Thanks, Tom. |
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Jarod Loyal user Scotland 226 Posts |
Hi Tom,
I sometimes see people do recordings, but mostly on private occasions. I play 90 % on Stages in Theaters and the don not allow any recording. I'm not sure but often think, that my show looks the same on Video like in the real performance and nobody really sees the moves and work behind it (even in slow motion on tape) - so what - it is more like an advertisment for you if peolpe have the chance see your show, be amazed and talk about it. Just my thoughts! Jarod
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harishjose Special user 932 Posts |
I can share my experience here.
It was Michael Ammar's lecture in Springfield, MO. He was showing his tricks. I knew that he is going to perform the appearing bottle. I had my digital camera ready and started recording that. At first he didn't notice me. I was greedy and was enjoying the whole thing. Next he showed a few topit effects. But this time he saw me. His face became serious, and I knew better. Later, I went and apologized. So I guess, people do not always like being captured on video. Let me add that Ammar was an awesome guy. He autographed his book, videos, lecture notes and a pack of cards.
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leapinglizards Inner circle 1263 Posts |
I have no record clauses in contracts. When I used to do birthday shows encouraged recording reactions, and occasionally recording things with the birthday boy/ girl, but discouraged any other recording of the show.
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Doug Arden Special user 886 Posts |
I prohibit the recording of my shows but not because I'm not worried about angles or someone working out how I accomplish the various effects.
I'm of the opinion that those who have paid to see the performance are the only ones who have that right. It's a bit like Stan Kramien's philosophy, "no dough, no show." I also have several routines that I prefer to keep from the prying eyes of those who would "appropriate" them for their own shows. |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
You don't bring your video camera to the movies, you don't record plays on Broadway, bring a camera to a Stone's concert and you'll have to pay a proctologist big money to get it back. So, no. My show is not allowed to be recorded either, but I do allow for some segments to be recorded.
As for my readings, I provide a service where for an additonal small fee, my client can get a tape or CD of the reading that has taken place. The recording also has some relaxation tips and lists some of my other services. The client is also free to make their own recording of the session, but they are warned that unless the recorder is specially shielded, it may fail do to the high energy waves generated during the session. Nearly all recorders (other than mine) do fail. Imagine that. Tony |
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Kaylan Special user CT 758 Posts |
I would not allow anyone, other than someone whom I approved to do so, to record my show. Why should someone get to watch me for free? You wanna see me? Then show me da money. That's my 2 cents.
:) Kaylan PS...Tony's right |
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Tom DV Special user 694 Posts |
Some interesting thoughts, thanks. I hadn't really considered the 'no dough, no show' aspect, probably as Im not getting paid vast sums of money to perform yet and have little unique material of my own.
I suppose, as concerning Ammar, it's a little more riskey to be filmed doing a magic tricks show that relies on slight of hand alone than a mentlism show. |
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doctorrigormorto Loyal user Ottawa, Ontario Canada 284 Posts |
Once again I agree with Tony, the Live Show experience is just that... a memory that they can take home. To have it on Video just cheapens the memory. I have a strong policy about camera equipment of ANY type at my shows. Many people have asked me if I would ever bring out a video for sale of our show... and I allways say NO. The thing that makes us so unique is the fact that you have to be there to enjoy the experience. To have a copy of the show takes away from the immediacy of the work we do. And there is sooo much more power in watching us LIVE then on TV.
You don't just want to give it away, because then you will have people that will see the video and then have no need to see you LIVE. People are funny. And I have heard the argument that if they saw the video... they would want to see the Real Show.... this is only true with a few people. Why pay $45.00 to see a LIVE show, when you can see it for free at a friends place? (I am playing the Devil's advocate here) THAT is the problem that you will run into. But the decision is yours in the long run... once again this is just my two cents worth.
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Mind_Magic Inner circle The Sunshine State USA 1252 Posts |
I perform most of the time on corporate events and parties and frequently I find people video recording the event and its members, no the entire show or the performer. Every time I get a copy of the show, I find a lot of funny things that help me to improve my show. So it’s not a problem for me.
Now with new technology stuff it’s really difficult to detect a hidden camera. For example, if I go to your show with a small camera penny size that can be installed at any place of my body with a recorder like a cigarette box with capacity of 90 minutes with same tape and battery, how you can detect it? |
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
I Wont allow it. The magic is in the mystery of what is coming up next. Knowing what I'm doing isn't all that amazing, I mean Ive seen the same fork bend 1000000000 X and Im a little sick of it, imagine what theyd say if they knew which bend was coming up next.
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
I agree with Tony and gang as well...
Although I usually try to get a friend/associate to video me so I can look over my performance for self-improvement .... Anything else is piracy pure and simple. If they want to videotape, sell them a DVD of your shtick! Hmmm... I wonder if it would be cool to have the option to videotape an engagement so long as YOU are the one who arranges it, you will edit the film, you will create a DVD for them and YOU keep the rights to use that material for your own eventual DVD release or promo material.... I suppose that would be great! Have some stooges in the audience with small sledge hammers ready at all time for the pirates... As I am on a roll - you can set up a stooge/assistant taping/videoing you near the beginning of the show - and via mentalism / or magic... make the device explode... or sizzle... and the stooge gets a very large headache/can't breath.... ala Darth Vader grip...until he apologizes and then leaves... Of course this would be for an audience that can stand some good bizarre mentalism ....
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Rocketeer Special user Westchester, NY 965 Posts |
Before each show at our local summer stock theater the company's producing artistic director gets on stage and says a few words of welcome and always includes this:
"I'd like to remind you that the taking of photographs or the making of audio or video recordings of the perfomance is prohibited both by copyright law and our agreement with Actor's Equity Association" (Equity is the US union for stage actors.) People seem to abide by it. I'd definitely put in a no recording clause into my contracts.
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
The Argumentalist is the real deal, so it does not matter if people record my show or not. There is no tricks to find.
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Tom DV Special user 694 Posts |
Interesting...here's another question then: how do you feel about photographs being taken?
Personally, I think a few snaps is OK, in fact I encourage it when doing my spoon bend if anyone has one. |
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doctorrigormorto Loyal user Ottawa, Ontario Canada 284 Posts |
Check out my website
http://www.carnivaldiablo.com As you will see... every picture taken would be postcard worthy. Very DANGEROUS for our show. I was out for a meal a few years back at a very fancy restaurant on Toronto. On the wall were these kool looking photos of carnival life. They were about 4ft. by 8ft. At first glance I thought that it was a kool photo essay....and then it hit me.... those Large pictures were of my show... and they were going for $850 a piece! I immediately had the Restaurant owner give me the photographers number and I called (while still at the restaurant) The pictures in questions were taken without my permission and had to be taken down AND the photographer could not sell our images for profit. Your image is an important part to who you are in the industry. Guard it or it can be exploited. I understand that the type of show I have and the attention that we garner may be on a international scale, but even if you are doing intimate shows, think about how you want to be depicted. One bad angle pic of a routine that is angle sensitive... and poof there goes your credibility. Of course if you are table hopping, this won't allways apply, because many people want to get thier picture taken with the performer during or after a feat. But make it clear if you do not pics taken.
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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts |
Your show is your product. Pictures or recording the show is shoplifting/theft. In a private venue this can be controlled. On the street I have no idea how you would control this.
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Kaylan Special user CT 758 Posts |
Excellent thoughts doctorrigormorto !
I wholeheartedly concur! Kaylan |
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
I did a kids birthday party about 4 years ago. I let the parents film my show, becuase I only do one birthday show about every year, so I really didn't care. I ran into the parents about two months ago and they were telling me that it is their kids favorite video. He told me they have seen the tape 20 to 30 times since my show. I am glad I have entertained them that many times!!! Obvioulsy this is not my normal show, so I don't care who see's it. Maybe I would feel different if it was my mentalism act.
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Pasq Elite user Lance Rench-Hausen. 417 Posts |
I've recorded a certain comedian's standup performance - on the front row with a dictaphone.
I kept it for my own personal use.
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