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spider15 New user 15 Posts |
I'm a beginner - I just love Bobo's complete coin vanish, and coin to key - even doing one after the other with the cool Key twist at the end. But the slight finger movement necessary to get the coin into position kind of makes it look like I'm up to something - people are still fooled, but I wish the fingers didn't have to move. Is it simply a matter of diverting attention away from my hand while I get the coin into position? Seems like a tough moment to get people to look away from my hand.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Spider, just keep practicing, you'll get better and better at it...that's how all of this stuff works. Incidentally, the two tricks you mention here and many others are covered very well in the very new "Modern Coin Magic" dvd set. Would work well for you as a beginner in that it closely follows the "Bobo's New Modern Coin Magic" book that you're learning from. Good luck and welcome to the Café. -MB
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Rob Johnston Inner circle Utah 2060 Posts |
That dvd is not the greatest out there...and I wouldn't even pay a dollar for it. But that is just me.
But he is right about practicing.
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spider15 New user 15 Posts |
I actually have the Ammar DVD, which is where I learned those 2 tricks.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Spider, good choice too. I actually recommended Ammar in another string to you. I think he's pretty good with this basic stuff. As for the many agendas that will be thrusted your way as to what's supposedly "great" and what's not, well, that's more about people and their personal dislikes than magic. On these dvds that I suggested above, the 2 tricks you mentioned are very well explained and presented, not to mention as most of the presentations are. Rob, I didn't see where he asked for the "greatest" of anything here, he just asked for assistance and I believe I gave it to him. You gave him something else here, that admittedly is also a part of all this. But to each his own. Hey spider, you're learning magic and some other things, about magic and people. Good luck.
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spider15 New user 15 Posts |
Thanks, Mb. any tips on minimizing finger movement on that one while moving the coin into position? or is it a matter of diversion while doing so?
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Just that it smooths out quite a bit with practice. At first, your fingers are trying to compensate for what they don't clearly understand just yet...As they come to "understand" better, they will incorporate more smoothness in getting into and out of positions quickly and on the offbeat. In the Modern Coin Magic dvds, the instructor Ben Salinas (a fine magician) does it really smoothly, and the finger movements are never really seen behind the larger movement of the wave back and forth across the hand. It takes a little practice to do this particular Bobo Complete Vanish well, but keep working on it, as it will come with practice...I promise you that. -MB
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joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17407 Posts |
I watch an old gentleman do the coin to key for me in 1972, and I never forgot it...He did it flawlessly....
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Hi Joe, I agree, "Coin to Key" is a great trick. Talk about simplicity at its best... Took me some time to get it so that the coin and key didn't talk much, but when you get it, it's a really sweet effect...I added in a couple of other moves to it, turning the key back into the coin, and finishing clean with it. Works really well with the original trick...Nice visible change back into the coin.
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Rob Elliott Elite user Reston VA 487 Posts |
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On 2006-06-09 23:06, Rob Johnston wrote: Rob, what do you base this statement on? Have you seen it? |
eddieloughran Special user 942 Posts |
This is a vanish I never learned, and going over it after reading your question I think I know why.
I don't think any vanish should leave you with the coin to be moved later to another position. You can move it during a later movement, but why get in that position in the first place ? The whole movement of the hands is strange as well. But there are so many coin vanishes why not learn another one. Standard retention vanishes answer your needs. I'll have to look it up, but I think it was moves that require more finger movements to steal a coin than really transfer it that caused Al Schneider to develop his vanishes. And for the sake of completeness - you can move the coin to classic palm when turning the hands over, rather than leaving it clipped. Which is better, but still has the strange turn over of the hands. |
spider15 New user 15 Posts |
I came up with another way to hide the finger movement - I have the spectator cover my fist with their hand, "to prevent me from doing any funny business". this allows me to get the coin into position. I then have them remove their hand, turn my hand over, and - voila!
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bigchuck Veteran user Nothing clever has ever been said in my 400 Posts |
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On 2006-06-11 13:17, eddieloughran wrote: I believe one should first try learning routines before prejudging them to be inferior prior to even trying them... if you learn it as written & THEN seek some other guidance; be they texts videos or whatever (in this case, Kurtz's Misty has a similar handling of a vanish which uses some strong psychological misdirection and works in this context nicely) you will have a much more thorough idea of how the effect can look and how you want it to. In my opinion, retention vanishes are not *always* the best choice.
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eddieloughran Special user 942 Posts |
Sorry -
I wasn't meaning to imply that retention vanishes were always the best choice ! In fact I much perfer Mr. Schneider's. Nor did I mean to imply that we should prejudge moves or routines; I make a point of learning routines exatly as writen and perform them that way before I rework them, and only may changes for a good (for me) reason. I wrote that I had not learned the move, not that I had not tried it. I had tried it and didn't take it any further, and worked on it again before writing the post above. I hope that clears that up ! |
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