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tilford New user 75 Posts |
Hello,
The VIDEO of FANDEMONIUM is Finally on my Website. Connection? Go to 2nd Post on this discussion as Devin has correct connection there Thank You for your patience Sincerely, Douglas Tilford
http://www.tilfordillusions.com
magician@tilfordillusions.com Phone (386) 322-7308 Fax (386) 761-3973 |
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Here is a direct link to the fan video.
http://tilfordillusions.com/video/Fandomonium.html |
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hoodrat Veteran user Southern California 388 Posts |
Great video! Thanks for posting it! After watching the video, I agree with Christopher Starr's post above that a larger version of "Pandemonium" should be made using a 20-inch box fan. I don't know if this would be practical or not -- it may ultimately push the purchase price too high.
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
As mentioned in a private PM, due to the mechanics, the 20 inch isn't practical and even if it could be made it would push the price TOO high. The trick is already priced beyond the range of many performers.
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bsears Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 1040 Posts |
I think this is a great idea, but agree that it would be better with a bigger fan. Also, the size and the look of the blade does not appear to resemble boxfans I've seen.
Again, great idea, great routine. I'd probably get one if it were a "standard-looking" 20" fan. What concerns do you guys have (if any) about doing this with kids in the audience? |
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
I wouldn't do this as birthday parties, but I have used it in family shows with a MAJOR DISCLAIMER to not stick your fingers into fans. As said before due to the method it is really NOT practical or possible to make this into a 20 inch fan. There are some manufacturing issues I can't go into that make a 20inch fan near impossible to make and I have looked into. I haven't totally given up on this but so far can't find a practical way to do it with 20inch fan.
You guys are missing a point. A lot of people who bought this tell me they wouldn't have bought it if it was a 20 inch fan. Too big to carry around for them. They like the smaller 10 inch fan. Actually since you are pushing just your hand thru the fan a smaller fan makes more sense than the larger one. Just my opinion. |
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Logan Inner circle 2289 Posts |
I saw the video and I think it's a GREAT idea.
But I feel, personally, that the fan doesn't look menacing enough, it doesn't exactly provide a true sense of danger. I mean, it's an office fan. Devin, whilst I understand that making a 20 inch fan is not a possible option for you, it WILL look a lot more menacing and hence more theatrical. Especially if it had a somewhat industrial look, made of solid metal and had a very powerful/loud motor. Perhaps not now, but someday? As for Fandemonium, for what it is, I think it's a great idea and as far as I've read, very practical and effective. Take care, Logan
You've been hit by, you've been struck by, a smooth criminal.
Singapore's Hairiest Corporate Comedy Magician! |
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Login,
The fan trick has proven very effective. Hocus Pocus got the last few of them. This item is being discontined due to the difficulty of finding the parts. Hocus Pocus and Doug Tilford both have a few left. When these are gone, no more will be made because I can no longer get the parts. I'm moving on to other projects. These may become collector's items so if you really have been wanting one you better contact one of these two dealers because when they are gone, they are gone for good. Devin |
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magicinsight Inner circle 4293 Posts |
Logan,
With all due respect, I think an office fan is menancing looking enough. I don;t think anyone would want to put their hand through an office fan where the fan blades are rotating at full speed. This effect is meant to be a portable, light weight illusion. The size is perfect, in my opinion. If it was made larger, not only would the cost increase dramatically but the practicality and portablity of the illusion would be signifcantly diminished. Best regards, Michael
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Michael makes a valid point. WOULD you put your hand into an office fan with METAL BLADES spinning at it's highest speed? If you would then this trick isn't for you.
Proof in the pudding is if you do the trick with someone from the audience where you will push their hand thru the spinning blades. They are VERY relunctant. More so then a guillotine, because they SEE the spinning blades and don't see how this could be a trick. Although it can be used with a person from the audience, I have long since stopped trying as most people will chicken and won't allow you to push their hand thru. Of course when you then push you hand thru, it sells the trick that much more to an audience. Devin |
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Logan Inner circle 2289 Posts |
Guys,
I never doubted or disputed its effectiveness. It IS effective and portable which is important to a lot of performers, I've said that in my first post. All I said was my own personal opinion, that although, yes, it's a fan and no one wants to stick any part of their body into a fan, it's just not that scary - perhaps not to me anyway. I suppose it's like comparing a fork and a steak knife. If you were threatened with a fork, it wouldn't be as scary as it would be if it was a steak knife, even though you CAN hurt yourself with a fork. Perhaps its just my personal taste in theatrics. Either way, I'll say it again just to clear it up, for what Fandemonium is, it's good. Portable and effective for those who use it and that's what's important. All I've said was just my personal opinion, please note I'm not bashing this effect. Keep up the good work Devin. Take care, Logan
You've been hit by, you've been struck by, a smooth criminal.
Singapore's Hairiest Corporate Comedy Magician! |
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magicproshop New user MagicProShop 46 Posts |
The Deluxe version is now available.
http://www.magicproshop.com/dexluxe-fand......956.html Free Same Day Shipping within US.
Peter Whiteman
www.MagicProShop.com |
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bekralik Inner circle Canada 1349 Posts |
You spelled deluxe wrong on your website.
So is this the deluxe improved fandemonium or just the improved fandemonium with a synonym for improved (ie deluxe)? I'm a bit confused. |
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demente42 Regular user Florida 199 Posts |
How is the deluxe version different from the original?
Brandon Smith
Imagine The Impossible www.MagicForAnyOccasion.com Creator of Dough or No Dough & Show Me the Bunny. |
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Better mechanics on the inside.
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dove-boy Special user Joe Yu (Stage Name) 545 Posts |
This looks like a great effect, I have a customer who wish to order from me the 'old' hand chopper...think I would intro. this to him so I can earn a little more cos higher in price
BUT I have a doubt on the logic of this trick...hope Devin, you can advise When the fan is turn ON...there will some wind.....under logic circumstances, the slight wind will tends to 'blow' ONTO the 2 Red cloth covers (two hand holes.)...making it moves...if it moves, it will expose the trick...if don't move...it will be strange..? Do you think making Spandax overlapping black elastic cloth ...on BOTH sides is a better idea & looks better, not to mention more professional? E.g Windshear & Milllion Dollar Dream Illusions also have the overlapping spandax elastic cloth feature. Thanks for the advise dove-boy |
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hoodrat Veteran user Southern California 388 Posts |
I think I know what dove-boy is asking about in his post. I just watched the video demo of "Fandemonium." I noticed that the cloth covering the fan was not blowing in the breeze that would be caused by the spinning fan blades. It seems that the fan is constructed "backwards" so that air is drawn in to the fan from the front rather than be blown out the front like a normal fan would do. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it seemed that way in the video demo. Would spectators notice this lack of "wind?" I think this is what dove-boy was asking about.
Can anybody enlighten the rest of us as to whether or not the fan actually produces a "breeze?" Thanks! |
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
I'll be glad to answer your questions. First of all this is 120 volts, if you use it overseas you will need a convertor to use it with 220-240 volts. I have been told in Japan where I believe it is 110 volts that some have been able to use 120 volts. Various companies sell these convertors.
Regarding Spandex, we did MUCH research and experimenting with it. The problem with Spandex is that it looses it's elasticity after a while and leaves large open gaps that expose the trick after a while. Also an important part of the trick is the ripping of the card or changing of the card when it goes thru. The spandex interfers with that. We finally decided to use a cloth flap with a slightly weighted seam. If you notice in the video the fan is tilted forward to slight angle and the flaps hang straight downward giving a clean free opening for the hand and card to pass thru. IMPORTANT: The other reason for the flaps is that you can lift them easily. Notice in the video how the flaps are lifted up to show the spinning fan, dropped and immediately the hand and card thrust thru. The last second revelation is very convincing. You can't do that with spandex, imagine trying to hold the fan with one hand and pull apart the spandex from the front to show the fan spinning. Not very convincing. The way it is designed now, allows for the fastest and most convincing showing of the fan. So again to the spandex, we tried it but it was only workable if you really overlapped greatly and that interfers with the card going thru. However, you are not stuck using the foam board we supply. The main think you need is the gimmicked fan. Plus the cool thing is that this doesn't look like a magic prop. Looks like a small fan you'd buy in a store, the foam board is used (logically)as a splatter guard to prevent blood from flying into the audience. If you don't wish to use the card ripping effect, you can buy a piece of foam board for about 2 dollars and cut out the holes with an exacta knife and cover it with spandex. The splatter board was my idea. The original John Moyer trick didn't use a splatter board, he used a piece of tissue paper with a hole in the middle and the two sides solids. You'd see the fan spinning in the center. He'd quickly thrust his hand thru the tissue paper, then pull it back, it left a hole in the paper and the audience could see the fan still spinning. Although a pretty effect this way, I found it slowed things down. You had to securely tape all the corners and sides to the fan. The foam splatter guard just had to be folded up. Regarding the blowing of the cloth. This has been mentioned before and I will deal with it now. You simply say you have a small EXHAUST Fan. That's it. Although it doesn't show well in the video, there is a slight movement of the cloth, due to slight breeze and vibration of the fan. However, I and others can say from experience, even if you don't mention exhaust fan, the audience assumes or doesn't think about it. The reaction is still unbelievable. Finally, there is a way (mentioned in the ad, but not in the directions)to help create the illusion of a breeze while the hand goes thru. Take a small piece of ribbon and attach it to the middle (you have to experiment with lenght)When the fan is spinning, the ribbon is fluttering due to it being attached offcenter to the center spindle. This serves a dual purpose, it helps prove the fan is still spinning when the front is covered, yes the center spindle is always seen, but attaching a ribbon to it makes it even more visual, especially as the hands go thru. Adding the ribbon is optional, but really convincing. Doug Tilford has some nice photos of the spinning center with a ribbon attached, you can see his photos here: http://www.tilfordillusions.com/fandemonium.html |
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hoodrat Veteran user Southern California 388 Posts |
Thanks, magicbuilder, for the detailed informaation. Thanks, too, for the link. I am definitely going to get this mini illusion. Thanks again!
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