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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
I think it's so funny that Max is trying to think of a difficult suit for Gordon in the demo video. He said most people choose Hearts, and he expects Gordon to think he'll pick Spades. So he decided on Clubs. However, the suit he picked, the Club, happened to be the easiest with no move at all if you arranged your 6 cards according to Gordon's instruction.
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
This thread is great. I just received this trick for X-Mas. My question is this, ifyou are going to do the out-jogged monte move, why not just have the Joker you need on top of the pile, instead of it being the bottom card, and then do the move with your right hand? This way there is no possible way to flash anything.
Doing the move with your left hand, there is a slim possibility you could falsh when turning the card(s) over. Same with the orginal handling. I actually prefer Gordon's original handling. But I was playing around with the monte handling and realized it might work better using the right hand. Does that make sense?
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Bananafish Elite user Simon Shaw, Suffolk, England 415 Posts |
I regularly carry Entourage around with me, and although it is not used all the time in my close up set, I do use it for when I am asked for something extra as it works beautifully both at tables or as a walkabout piece.
So all in all I must have performed it hundreds of times by now, and up to last Saturdays gig I had never accidentally turned over the wrong card, after all it is far too easy to check before you execute the move. Right? So you would think. I don't know if it was just me being drained at the end of the evening or if I was just a little careless – but as I said "...and the card you merely thought of was the Queen of Diamonds" I looked down and saw that in fact I had turned over the "Queen of Clubs". As it happens I feel I coped with the situation pretty well. I immediately said "Well don’t look at me – He picked the card!" (I always use two spectators, one to think of the queen and one to point to the card they think the other person is thinking of. This got a good laugh during which I turned the queen back over (reversing the original move) and placed the cards back down on the table. I then said "To be honest he didn't do too bad, because if you look at these cards, he picked the only one that was actually a queen." – at which point I showed the three tabled jokers. Which got the first gasp. I then picked up the two jokers and face down queen again (this time having corrected the mistake) and said – "which means he MUST have picked the card you thought of because that was the only queen I use". And showed that in fact the card was the Queen of Diamonds after all. Which got an even bigger gasp and a nice round of applause. Now I am not saying that this is how I will perform the effect from now on. No siree. That would be crazy. But I am saying that as out's for a mistake go, this one went down pretty well. So really. There is NOTHING that can go wrong with this effect. It is perfection. (And for the record - I use the original turn over move as described by Gordon. It just looks less suspicious to me. Certainly no one has questioned it) |
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Hayre Regular user Arkansas 194 Posts |
With regards to presentation, I have read several people refer to Entourage as a 1 chance in 4 trick. It is actually a 1 in 16, which starts making it more astounding. Playing up the 1 in 16 aspect is actually a key to presentation, and selling the effect properly. Below is some relevant info on this topic which I wrote elsewhere.
Entourage, when compared to B’Wave (which still is a classic which I both love and perform) clearly packs more effect punch. But I will just limit this to probability analysis. B’Wave is a 1 in 4…the named suit has a 1 in 4 chance of being the face up card in the packet. Not exactly a miracle, but it is enhanced by eliminating a lot of possible methods with the different colored back on the selected card, and the blank faces on the other cards. Entourage is a 1 in 16 chance…., which if sold properly, is much more magical than 1 in 4. If a similar effect was done with 4 ungimmicked queens only, where you name any Queen, and then choose a location/number 1-4, the odds for any Queen named being in the specified location are 1 out of 4. You would hit 1 out of 4, no matter which Queen was named. But if you replace three queens with Jokers, like Entourage, the odds go to 1 in 16 because you have a 1 in 4 of getting the correct/ONLY queen, multiplied by a 1 in 4 of also getting the correct number. At first glance Entourage ‘seems’ like a packet version of ACAAN, except limited to Any Queen At Any Number (between 1 and 4). But, ACAAN is actually only a 1 in 52 (Card 1 named has a 1 in 52 chance of being at a selected number, but so does Card 2, Card 3, etc., ) which has to be sold to the audience as if was something much more impossible, namely a 1 out of (52 x 52) probability. You have to sell it as more than 1 out of 52, to make its effect punch match its ‘Holy Grail’ status. It may be 52 times harder than the average 1 out of 52, but under the Emperor’s new clothes, it is just a 1 in 52. Entourage DOES get the multiplier effect because only one Queen seems to exist, and in the right place, so while it initially seems to be a packet ACAAN, it actually has an impossibility factor of 1/16 out of a tiny packet, while ACAAN only has a 1/52 with a full deck (though you might sell it as more). ACAAN may not be the Holy Grail yet. Why not search for a ACAAN, where at the end, (like Entourage) the named card is at the named location and all other cards are blank ? |
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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3062 Posts |
What I like to do after I reveal their card at the end is turn it back over in the same double turnover as the revelation, and this allows the spectators to see that the queens do not even exist in the packet, including the one they chose!
Try it, it is a fantastic add-on that really packs a punch!
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rawheadrex New user 16 Posts |
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On 2007-03-26 17:36, Michaelmystic2003 wrote: That seems like a really good way to get burned ............ which is absolutely why I will try it !!!!! |
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adamc Regular user Sydney, Australia 138 Posts |
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On 2006-10-29 06:19, MueCard wrote: where can I read more about this B.D.V. Switch move? Thanks, Adam |
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Starromeo Regular user 134 Posts |
Can't wait to get mine.
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alannasser Loyal user 213 Posts |
A sideline suggestion re presentation of Entourage: I don't like a trick to look like a packet trick. So I start with a full deck and remove the 2 jokers and 4 queens right in front of them. Preparation: place the two jokers from an ordinary deck on top of the face-up deck. Then distribute the four (real) queens from that deck beneath the jokers, about 6 or 7 cards apart. (When the routine begins you will thumb through the face-up deck to find and remove the 4 queens.) Note the two or three cards directly beneath the 2 jokers that are on the face of the deck. Now turn the deck around and place the 2 Entourage jokers, with the 4 "queens" sandwiched in between, on the "top" of the deck. The 2 jokers will of course be face up, and the "queens" will be face down. Turn about 6 or 7 other cards face up beneath the 6 Entourage cards. The 2 or 3 cards directly beneath the 6 Entourage cards should be duplicates of the 2 or 3 cards that are beneath the 2 real jokers at the other end of the deck. Case the deck. In performance, remove the deck from the case with the 2 real jokers face up. Don't flash the other end of the deck. Show the 2 jokers, table them, and then thumb through the deck, with the faces of the cards facing the audience, and remove and table the 4 real queens as you come to them. Now use your favorite patter as you place one of the jokers back on the face of the deck, face up, place the 4 queens face down on top of that joker and place the final joker face up on top of the queens. Show all 6 cards freely on both sides during this phase. Talk some more and secretly turn the deck around, so the face up joker they now see is the Entourage joker. Be sure that the real and the Entourage jokers are facing in the same direction. Now remove the Entourage cards and proceed in your favorite way. -- I've found that removing the cards from the deck as you chat with the specs and freely showing the 6 cards adds significantly to the effect.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Laymen don't have any idea in the world what a "packet trick" even is.
The term "packet trick" is one that only magicians understand the meaning of, and being worried that a layman will think something is a "packet trick" is something only magicians could worry about. In reality, pulling Entourage out of your pocket and starting the trick is all that's required. Any further business only clouds up what's actually close to a perfect effect. Of course you need to do what works for you, but "looking like a packet trick" is only something that magicians eyes could see, to a layman it's just six cards that are whatever the magician says they are. |
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AdamChance Special user 656 Posts |
Bumping an old thread here.
My entourage cards are getting a bit old looking... probably time for a replacement soon... but I've got a lot of use out of them Anyways, I thought of a new idea for this trick. I think there are still things that need improvment, but here is the general idea: 1) Do a sandwhich effect. It doesn't really matter which one, but just do a simple one to show your audience the concept of a sandwhich effect. If you don't want to do a sandwhich effect, just explain to them what it is. 2) Bring out a deck of jokers (face down) with the two entourage jokers on the top (face up obviously). Tell the spectator that they're going to do this sandwhich effect only with their imagination. you take the two entourage jokers and give the spectator the deck of jokers. make sure to explain to them not to look at the cards. 3) Use an equivoque (I use a combination of methods from Inferno & Prospect) to reduce the choices to the 4 queens. 4) tell the spectator to hand you 4 cards (ones that they think are the 4 queens). then get them to select one of the queens. get them to remove 3, and you're left with their thought of queen sandwhiched between the jokers. they're left with a deck of jokers. alternatively, you can get them to select one of the queens (with the equivoque), get them to hand you one card, and reveal that one card (leaving them with a deck of 51 jokers). so you can do that if you don't' want them handing you the 4 cards and then taking 3 back. but the actual odds of this happening by chance from the spectator's point of view is actually 52x52 = 1/2704. Because there's a 1 in 52 chance that they named the only non-joker card. and a 1 in 52 chance that they selected the only non-joker card from the deck. as a kicker ending, you can flip their selected card back over and give it to them... and when they look at it, it'll be a joker also... and then you can say how all the cards are jokers and it was all in your imagination. |
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