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Gary Kruse Regular user Colorado Springs 146 Posts |
OK; so I'm mostly a card guy so go easy on me!
Can someone direct me to a topic here on the Café that talks about the noise coins and coin shells make? I've steered away from some of the nice gimmicked coin routines because the shells sound strange when clanked with a genuine coin and there is the 'chatter' from a coin and shell when my hand is only supposed to contain one coin... Any help? Thanks, Gary |
ShawnB Special user 728 Posts |
You could get a nicer shell.
Go with a Lassen, they do not chatter and nest perfectly. I know this is not the answer you were looking for, but it is a solution to your problem. All the best. Shawn.
Shawn.
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
You have use care to avoid noise.
Keeping the ] side away from other coins, keeping the nest tight and if you have coins elsewhere then make some noise with those when need be. |
Gary Kruse Regular user Colorado Springs 146 Posts |
Shawn, you are right in that I didn't want to hear that my Johnson products aren't as quiet as the Lassen material! Did I at least make a good decision going with Johnson rather than Sterling or another brand?
Jaz- I think that there are modifications in style but wondered if there was a magical solution. I thought I heard one time that some people lined their shells with aluminum foil to minimize noise... Thanks for caring, Gary |
Mediocre the Great Inner circle Rich Hurley 1062 Posts |
Lots of practice will help you manage this. Sometimes I hold the shell back either in finger palm or a secret holdout place as I display or have the genuine coins examined. There are many ways to secretly add or remove a shell from a coin. It all comes with practice.
For many years I was a sleight of hand purist and refused to use shells. I hated the idea of accidentally dropping them (they are easily damaged) and the tell tale sounds they made. After I met Dean Dill and learned the power of this gaff, I started practicing and handling them until now it’s fully second nature to bring a shell in or out of play. I encourage you not to give up and to study the work of Dean Dill, David Roth, Michael Rubenstein and others great coin workers who have published a wealth of material on this gaff. Have fun! I'll tell you one tip I've learned: Take some thin transparent tape (like 3M packing tape, or teflon) cover the inside the shell. Trim the edges with an exacto blade. This will help soften any noise.
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-------------------------------------------- Rich Hurley aka Mediocre The Great! www.RichHurleyMagic.com |
Gary Kruse Regular user Colorado Springs 146 Posts |
Rich,
Great tips; thanks! My coin books are limited to Roth's Coin Magic, Kaufman's coin book, and Bobo's. What should I look for in Dean Dill's published work? Gary |
Mediocre the Great Inner circle Rich Hurley 1062 Posts |
You're welcome Gary,
You'll find the Extreme Dean DVD series which has some excellent coin work on Dean's website, http://www.deandill.com/ You'll also find some nice work on his intimate miracles video set.
Mediocrity is greatly under rated!
-------------------------------------------- Rich Hurley aka Mediocre The Great! www.RichHurleyMagic.com |
ShawnB Special user 728 Posts |
Gary.
Johnson is by far the best mass produced coin gaffs you can buy, so you can feel good about choosing Johnson. I have some Johnson gaffs, and absolutely love them. If you handle them carefully you will eliminate most of the noise associated with them. It also helps to have well thought out routine. David Roth’s "Shelled Coins Across" is structured in such a way to disguise the noise. There are many other routines that do the same thing. I would not recommend lining your shell with tin foil. However you may be able to accomplish a tighter nest by nesting a coin inside your shell and then rolling the rim of the shell on a hard surface. I recommend a granite counter top. What this will do it allow you shell to be pushed tighter again the coin. This can eliminate noise. If you happen to make it too tight you can fold up a Magicians silk in to quarters and place it between the shell and a coin. By pushing the two together you can slightly expand the rim. Play around with it and you can get a perfect fit.. All the best. Shawn.
Shawn.
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
The dean dill stuff is just fantastic when it comes to shell work,....its just fricin great
johnson isn't close to the schoolcraft or lassen or even the lance delong stuff...but for the money it will get you by koz |
DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
Gary,
The way your routine is structured can help a lot, by providing "cloaking noise" to cover the noisier [ moves. Assiduous practice can help reduce the amount of talking that occurs as well. Johnson coins are very, very good, and Shawn B. has offered some excellent suggestions for customizing the "fit" Keep in mind that there is also some variation in size from one coin to another. You might try just buying a roll of Kennedys (or whatever coins match your E-[ ), and trying them out to see if you can put together a set of coins that fit better.
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Pete McEwen Special user Durham, N.C. 576 Posts |
Gary,
I used to have a Johnson shell but never used it because I neve wanted to be caught with it and didn't like the look of it so I became a purist with a lot of Cam's and Harbottle's work. After seeing a Lassen set I became enamored that I could still roll it down my knuckles and have it topple into my other hand and it made no noise at all! after realizing how awesome the gimmick is I decided to research more and found the best routines never let it clink, it is always lined up to drop on another coin and never hit against the shell directly. with a litle practice having a shell will be normal and you won't even think about it. a lot of the time I've actually done tricks that don't use a the gimmick but it has been along for the ride the whole time. I say invest the $130 and get a lassen or schoolcraft set and you'll have a lot more fun. SPEED
The magician formerly known as SPEEDcuber
"no one will believe the things we do if we don't believe them ourselves." - Slydini PeteMcEwen@mac.com |
JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
Where can I find or buy the Lassen set? What name does the gaffs come under? I would like to include them after seeing the good reviews about those sets.
Thanks in advance. |
Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
James.
Lassen http://www.toddlassen.com/index.html Schoolcraft http://schoolcraftprecisionmagic.com/ |
Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
This mix of technique modification, routining, and quality props is really the complicated answer you've already gotten.
On a slightly side note, The New York Coins Across DVD is one of the few times where you get to see three people deal with this issue in one place. David Roth, Mike Gallo, and Geoff Latta all have different methods developed for managing noises from shells. Well worth checking out. You can also watch me wack the heck out of my shell and not care too much about sound....paritially because of technique, but mostly because it's a Lassen. |
Bob Johnston Inner circle Philadelphia, PA 1251 Posts |
If you can line your shell with tape (or anything), you have a very bad fit and should consider a better coin set.
I can not move my shells on my coins (Lassen) sideways if I try. Bob |
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