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Dr. Jakks Special user 832 Posts |
I am beginning to try out newer coin things and while reviewing the Encyclopedia of Coin Magic ad in my L&L catalog I saw a "Spider Vanish". I can't find it in any of my books. What is a spider vanish and what makes it better than others?
Jakks |
Vincenzo Loyal user Canada 215 Posts |
There's a video of it at magicsmith and it's method is posted in the coin section of Ultimatemagic.com
hope this helped -Vincenzo |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
The Spider vanish has recently been traced back to none other than Walter Gibson, who first published the idea back in the Sphnix, many, many years ago.
It is either a subtle or blatant "sucker" strategy, depending upon the circumstances and your goals. Various handlings exist, and Jon is right that the french drop position is the most frequently used starting point. Alternatively, you could check out the Ross Bertram coin assembly in "Stars of Magic" which contains two such vanishes, one done with the coin tabled. Roger Klause has published his handling which is essentially a retention vanish into the "wrong" hand (See "In Concert") Mike Gallo has published his handling, based upon the Ramsey subtlety, in his lecture notes (and elsewhere?) And Kainoa Harbottle's spider, based on the "Over the Top" vanish from Bobo's, appears on the DVD "Fists of Fury". You probably have Stars of Magic, it's just that the term "spider vanish" wasn't attached to the move until Ed Marlo came along, and even then, it was not used universally.
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Maestro Special user 801 Posts |
I first learned this vanish inside the cover of John Bannon's book impossibilia. If you have that one, it is in the "Return to Spender" coin matrix routine.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
For the Best Handling of the Spider Vanish See
Coining Magic By Ed Marlo! It's A small booklet! Magic Inc. Should have it! David Neighbors The Coinjurer |
Chris S Veteran user 393 Posts |
I think Mike Gallo's is the best one I have seen. You can find it detailed in his lecture notes, or his release of the Siamese coins, where it is detailed in the booklet provided. The first time you see it, it will throw you. Mike does it superbly, and the use of the ramsey subtlety really sells the impression that a french drop was just performed. He has another different handling where the coin goes into thumb palm rather than classic palm. Sounds like a minor adjustment, but it means that there is no shift into classic palm required, and therefore less heat on the vanishing hand.
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pyro Regular user 120 Posts |
Hey Jakks,
You can learn the spider vanish at http://www.rapidmagic.com |
Darren Roberts Loyal user 222 Posts |
The spider vanish is also featured in Ammar's Complete Introduction to Coin Magic DVD.
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Clayman Loyal user New Jersey 243 Posts |
Micheal Ammar does do a great spider vanish in his complete Introduction to Coin Magic DVD. That was the first time I have ever seen this vanish performed, and I must tell you my first responce of thought was that this is a ingenious way to fool some one. Even the magician can be caught off gard when done properly. I was amazed!
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Daniel Faith Inner circle Neenah, Wisconsin 1526 Posts |
Ramsays sublety is perfect with the spyder vanish. I have been using it for some time. Didn't know it was published though.
It's a good way to show your hand apparently empty after doing the vanish.
Daniel Faith
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Jem Veteran user Singapore 342 Posts |
Same here, Clayman. I first saw the Spider Vanish in the Michael Ammar "Introduction to Coin Magic" DVD, and I really loved it! I thought it was a beautiful vanish. It is one of my favourite vanishes.
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joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17407 Posts |
If you read the description, it may sound corny, but it is totally deceptive, and fools. Watch Roth or Rubenstein do it. It is good.
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shanla Loyal user Japan, Tokyo 285 Posts |
I sometimes do a spider grip vanish using Mutobe palm in stead of classic palm. I've heard that Yoshihiko Mutobe himself does this type of vanish. Maybe this is not published.
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Dr. Jakks Special user 832 Posts |
I tried it as it is described at rapidmagic.com and was laughed at thoroughly.......Perhaps the Ammar video would be a good choice.
Jakks |
what Special user Lehi, UT, USA 643 Posts |
The Ammar "Complete Introduction to Coin Magic" video gives a very good description of the spider vanish. He then uses it in a flurry to demonstrate it. His vanish is very convincing and he explains how make yours convincing.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
What is this...
Mutobe palm
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Frank, I am going to cut and past a section of my review of Curtis Kam's "Palms of Steel 2: Fists of Fury"
"Kainoa uses an underground extremely underutilized sleight throughout the entire routine called the Mutobe palm. The Mutobe palm was invented by a Japanese magician, Dr. Mutobe. The Mutobe palm first appeared in English in Kaufman's New Magic from Japan as a part of Mutobe's "Quadruple Spellbound". Mutobe palm allows for a flat hand, straight fingers, straight thumb show, and the fingers and thumb can be spread apart. It is ideal for showing the back and leading edge (little finger side) of the hand. Other angles would not work as well. Kainoa has mastered the Mutobe palm (as well as the Coin Roll which he uses throughout the routine). The most impressive part I felt was the multiple Mutobe palm coin vanish and hand wipe aquitment Kainoa used early in the routine. It looked absolutely stunning. [...] [...] I personally never saw Mutobe palm work before, and I doubt many people have. I can’t do most of the stuff Kainoa does because I have never used it, but I really enjoy learning new coin technique. I recommend anyone remotely interested in this underutilized sleight to get the DVD and check it out. I am not qualified at this point to offer much insight into all of its uses, but for what Kainoa does with it, it looks very deceptive. I have dry hands. Mutobe palm is much easier if your coins are sharply milled. If your hands are in the least bit dry, and you're trying it with soft coins, you're going to be discouraged." |
Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
Frank,
Also run a search on "Mutobe" and see the threadn on the history of funky thumb palm positions entitled "The Mutobe palm sounds familiar" for a lengthy discussion of the history of the position. And I believe the reference to "Quadruple Spellbound" is actually from Five Times Five (also by Kaufman), but I haven't double checked either volume recently in my confusion. I mentioned the New Magic of Japan title to Dan previously, but I didn't double check (and was corrected while in Hawaii). |
shanla Loyal user Japan, Tokyo 285 Posts |
I think the first description about Mutobe palm in English appered on "New York Magic Symposium Collection #5".
And you can see his performance in the video "Magic of Japan" from Stevens Magic Emporium. In this videotape he performs his beautiful "The three coin assembly". In this effect he uses his "Mutobe Vanish", which is a vanish utlising Mutobe palm, without explanation. In Japan, more detailed explanation about that palm had published. But I think it have not been translated to English yet.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Since the 'thumbpalm' variation of the spider grip vanish is around...
Please have a look at Sol Stone's move. Sol was last seen doing this move with one or more coins and does a transfer sequence afterwards. BTW the fingerpalm version of the vanish should be in Apocalypse somewhere. It's been a while but Harry did get the thing published. It was loads of fun to practice in the high school caffeteria back in 77. Geoff Latta got me started on revsising the JR routine and there are LOTS up updates just waiting to see the light of day.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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