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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
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On 2007-02-17 21:12, ttorres wrote: ttorres and spackle666, Luckily for us, this is magic, and "looks" can be deceiving. I use soft walking liberty half dollars and the entire sequence is as silent as Beethoven's last days. Please believe, I give my audiences quite a bit of credit and have performed this countless times for both magicians and laymen. While gesticulated, I assure you this is no less motivated or natural in performance than Slydini's sequence in his famous paper balls in the hat routine. The sequence by itself if analyzed may seem awkward and unnatural, but in context, it orchestrates a masterful bit of conjuring. Before that comment is taken out of context, I simply meant to illustrate the stylized form of sleight of hand employed as about the same, rather than compare my work to the late master of misdirection. I appreciate your concerns and I hope to disprove your theories about this technique in person one day. In the meantime, thank you for the constructive critisism.
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Spackle666 Loyal user 234 Posts |
Eric. While I may disagree with your choice of gesticulation (yes that IS a word), I can say that I do respect your dedication to the art and your intelligent and well structured response.
You are correct, context is everything. And while the Slydini comparison was a bold one, You do raise an interesting argument: what is natural for one performer may be completely unnatural when repeated by different performer. Much like patter language, particular sleights, and costume design...gesticulations are unique to individuals. Slydini made broad sweeping gestures that fit with his larger than life personality. He has a bold character. Few can mimic him without appearing ridiculous. Now with all that said, I applaud you for understanding that my criticism is only meant to help, not harm. And while I still may not entirely "believe" your E-nigma move is a great as some other members say, I do look forward to you proving me wrong someday.
"it's bad luck to be superstitious."
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mark1991 Veteran user Boston, Lincolnshire, England 311 Posts |
Hi there,
Nice video! Enjoyed it loads! Keep it up! Many thanks Magical Mark Watson (mark1991)
http://magicnewstelevision.com/mn/magicalmark
Magical Mark Watson - Christian magician, juggler, puppeteer, all-round entertainer and lover of Christ! |
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CasualSoul Special user Edmonton, Canada 542 Posts |
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On 2007-02-16 23:16, Spackle666 wrote: I didn't notice any flash, but I agree that we often underestimate the intelligence of lay people. However, unless you are familiar with coin concealment techniques (which lay people are not...that's why we call them layman), his thumb on his palm would most likely be beyond suspicion in a live performance. I think it is very natural looking given the context of what he's doing and how he got there. Video often doesn't do justice to how well certain effects play out live. Of course the opposite is also true far too often.
"Open their mind by performing the impossible"
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mc_magi Special user Vancouver, BC 949 Posts |
I do agree on the part that doing magic live, you can get away with a lot of things but I disagree that its because laymen are not aware of our "techniques and methods"
Especially talking about coin magic where gimmicks aren't used, any people thinking logically can come to the conclusion of concealment method - or the fact that its concealed in some way - the palm isn't that big. All you need is a person with good visual memory and they can probably work out what went on, albeit very simply. What lets us get away with it, is the context (like stated) and the PRESENTATION. Misdirection (Or Direction, as some people prefer) and patter, they are huge part of a live show as well. When a "layman" enters the performance and starts paying interest, most of them don't want just flurry of techniques - sure they may grab attention but they can never keep attention. There may be some who pay more attention to the techniques and try to catch you (hecklers) but mostly, they are watching to be entertained. So the biggest difference between a layman and a magician, IMO is that a layman wants to be entertained, while most "magicians" I see watching these videos just want the technical aspects. It's got nothing to do with not knowing methods and what not. |
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jedoonatmagic Loyal user FL/residing temp. TX 228 Posts |
I remember you showing me the concealment/handwash a while ago. Good to see it in action. Looks great dude.
One for the money...., 2 for a pass..., 3 for a Fly..., and 4 for matrix!
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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
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On 2007-02-19 06:29, jedoonatmagic wrote: Yeah, the initial conealment was created about 3 years ago...
“We're two tigers away from an act in Vegas.” Greg House M.D.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
I thought this was well done. I'm not a coin man but I'm interested in getting a bit more familiar with coins.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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