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kcalB Special user Took me 16 years to make 999 Posts |
At one time this meant that the item be it a book or gimmick, once sold out would not ever be available again and the buyer understood that he'd be buying something of tremendous value in it's exclusivity,
However nowadays this means Limited until it is released again. Black
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
Limited is a way for the seller to make as much money as they can in a short amount of time. Then after a little while has gone by, do another limited run! $$$
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
Or, they may opt to do another "updated/improved" version, changing it just enough to justify releasing it in another form.
Sebastian, I feel ya! Best, Jerome.
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
Yea, I forgot about the add ons! That is also another way to make money. Companies do it all the time. It is the way to do business.
Do you want fries with that order? $$$ For a little more $$$$ you can upgrade to the next model. $$$$ Do you want your new tires balance? $$$$$ It is just a game that is played...... |
sibbie Special user East Coast 525 Posts |
Go Magic Go did a portion of their show regarding this where, according to them, a creator flat out said no more would ever be made and then released a newer version that was "updated." They went on to tell about the wordplay used to justify why they did it.
I am not sure the episode number but it was interesting to listen how blunt some have gotten. |
KOTAH Inner circle 2289 Posts |
My meaning of a limited run in the case of my book "Tarothought" was 5o printed physical bound copies; which would never be reproduced in that form again. THe material has been made available again in electronic form from Leaping Lizards Magic. People have inquired if it were still available. I responded to the supply and demand of things. If that is wrong, then lable me as wrong
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
This is an important issue in my mind. Not as black and white as one would want...???
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kcalB Special user Took me 16 years to make 999 Posts |
If one produced an audio program on a cassette tape as a limited run let's say 10 years ago, the buyers who purchased the original product would be under the impression that it would be all there is to the divulging of that information.
After all, the big disclaimer when one buys most magic is that "You are buying the secrets!",....is it not? So the new technology of cd and mp3 and wav allows anyone to re-release a limited release of a product which was originally produced on cassette tape because the format has changed ? Information is information regardless of the format. By this logic any limited release that was on video vhs can now be released on DVD. Creators will lose credibility and income as the words LIMITED RELEASE will cease to have any meaning and it will be a pitch that will not have put added value to their very own creations. Where does it end?
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Christian & Katalina Elite user 407 Posts |
Interesting question Sebastion,
The answer is to look at history. Long ago to use the terms “limited release” had power, because it was easily believed. If you think about a bronze sculpture, complex mechanical device, or even a book, the set up costs were high. If it was something that the manufacturer believed to have a limited appeal, they would only make so many and hope they were sold out. The “limited release” was a way to stimulate sales. Even if sales were great, it would be with great difficulty to re-manufacture the product, because the facilities were usually booked for months and even years out. Now comes the 21st century. Things have changed, things can be made cheaper, faster, and with on demand printing, niche industries do not have to suffer as much as they did even 20 years ago. So now when someone says “limited release” we have to evaluate why they would say that. If it is a complex prop we might still believe that yes it might be limited because of the difficulty in constructing certain props. Many times the production staff is one guy and for him to make 50 of the item it might take him months and he would never make only one at a time because of the complexity of the product. So when I hear “limited release” in this context, I might take notice. But what about print? We know that print is not fraught with production problems or costs. So we only have his word that he will not print more. You are basing the limited release on the author’s integrity. So why would he make it a limited release? One of two options: He is noble and he only wants a few of his fantastic gems out in the magic community. Or two, what a great marketing ploy and he knows that this will jack up the price. In a capitalist system, lack of quantity generally increases the price (supply and demand). People hear that the product is good, My God!! I must have one. There is a frantic rush to buy them up and in the blink of an eye they are gone. Now the author looks at his bank account. I sold 100 limited release books at $100, hmmmm, that comes to $10,000 in two months. I must have underestimated my appeal. How much more could I have made? The Greed monster sits on his shoulder, kicking the integrity gnome to the floor. Then a thought… If I said that I have made improvements, I could re-release the item as the New Improved Yadda Yadda. So my advice to you is a limited release in the magic community must be taken with a grain of ---no a bottle of salt. I do not purchase any printed item because it is a “limited run”. For two reasons. One. I don’t really believe it. Two. I am not aware of any one who has become rich and famous because they were the very few that got that limited release item. Christian & Katalina
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kcalB Special user Took me 16 years to make 999 Posts |
Christian & Katalina,
Excellant Post, you make some good points. Best, Black
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eSamuels Inner circle 3085 Posts |
Strikes me as the semantics of commerce. In reality, everything is (literally) limited release. Even the most mass produced item available on the planet, will, at some point cease production.
This may be a literal loophole, but I suspect most feel it's an abused term of marketing hype, and as a result, a reveal as to the credibility and integrity of the seller/manufacturer. The art world has a defined system for limited release. Editions are numbered "11/100." But no such standard appears to exist in our medium. Although to their credit, there are some magic craftsman who do legitimately limit production. Then again, the majority of production runs are limited by buyer demand (or lack thereof). Surf a few magic sites and you'll see product descriptions boasting "limited production of 12!" which have been listed, as such, for several years. Perhaps we should simply add the term "Limited Release' to the lexicon of magic and mentalism bull***t, alongside classics like "a real reputation maker," "highly collectible," and "will even fool magicians!" |
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