I do know what the "Double Dove Production" is. But what is Grant's "Deluxe Double Dove Production?"

Mike:

General Grant's double production is pure genius in it's simplicity. My suggestion, buy his tape (or DVD). General Grant is one of the finest dove workers around; his work should be studied along with Pollack's, Shimada's, and Tony Clark's.

General Grant's video is one of, if not the, most comprehensive tool on dove work ever created.

Tony

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the same effect as the Twin Dove Production, but just a different name? (I'm not saing anything is wrong with that, just trying to help out Mike)

-Vinnie

Grant does have the Double Dove Production and the Deluxe Dove Production for sale at different prices. I was thinking about purchasing one. But first I need to find the difference. I think Grant's Twin Dove Production is the same as Double Dove Production.

To be more specific he does have the Deluxe Double Dove Production (2) each harness-double tier. The Double is listed (2) each harness-single. It might be the double hooks Dave mentioned to me in a different thread.

I do have Shimada's, Tony's Unmasked #1 and #2, Victor's, and Ian's videos. I am planning to order Grant's "How To Make A Living By Stealing Doves" next.

Thanks

Dynamike

Mike, what you said describes the difference in the two effects. Gen's dove pockets are different than anyone elses. Most pockets are just that, a pocket that is attached inside the jacket. The easiest way to describe it is to think of half a dove vest. The pocket is "L" shaped and attaches to the coat. The pocket istself is very deep. This is the single tier version. The deluxe set comes with the same type of pocket but the "L" shape has two pockets, one above the other. It's nice if you do multple body loads as you only have to sew in one piece of material for several pockets instead of sewing in individual pockets. That's the difference between the Double Dove and the Deluxe double dove.

There is a drawback to the standard versin however. You won't be able to sewn in any other pockets. You are limited to just the double dove production. The Deluxe model gives you the ability to produce other birds.

Gen uses a triple tier but doesn't sell them.

The General Grant's Single/double tier pocket design & his dove bags is excellent

I have own several of his products since 1997 till now.

Just one drawback....u need to trim your birds tail feathers.

Hope this helps
doveboy

I disagree, dove-boy. My doves are a little larger than most and I have never had to trim the feathers. The tier pockets are the same depth as other pockets like Tony Clarks for example. They are 10" deep.

Gen's dove bags or holders are designed so that if the tail makes the dove longer than their length, the tail feathers are closed and protude out the back which prevents them from becoming frayed. The tail normally doesn't extend more than an inch or so out the back.

Thank for the info Dave. Now I understand the difference. Since I am using the vest now, I will not order Grant's "Double Dove Production." I did order two of his one handed release harnesses for the twin dove production. The 24" silks we be from Bob.

The "How To Make A Living By Stealing Doves" from General Grant will be arriving soon. I thought I had it all together with Shimada's, Victor's, and Tony's Unmasked videos. But no one mentions anything about a vest. That is why the DVD of "Behind the Seams" by Tony Clark will be arriving soon also.

I hope I'm not over working Bob Sanders and General Grant.

When you get the harnesses from Gen, he'll include 24" inch of matching color with them. Your right in now order his pockets since you are using a vest. They would serve no purpose.