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Led Heflin New user 55 Posts |
I'm very interested in this particular brand of card work, but I have no idea where to look first to really understand the concepts and how to employ them (or if trying to employ them is indeed for me). Where does one start? Thanks!
Let him borrow and return his handkerchief like a man, and trust to his sleight of hand.
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
Juan Tamariz has a pretty popular stack, so does Richard Osterlind. You could get their material and start, but I would recommend you do a search on stacked decks and memorized decks here on the forum and do some reading of past posts on the subject, you should be able to get a better idea of the advantages and limits of the many various stacks out there. Almost as many stacks as there are magicians, all have their unique properties. Pick one that meets most of what you think you would like to do with a stacked deck.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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Shufton Veteran user California 306 Posts |
Don't forget Simon Aaronson. I use the Tamariz stack. Wonderful. The workings of this stack are made clear in his book, Mnemonica. But different stacks offer different features. You will certainly have fun with this - all sorts of miracles are possible!
Best of luck- -Steve
Fobulous, Emergency Cash, 3D Paradox, PS-I Love You, X-Ray, The Portal, Ultimate Floating Match, Miracle Premonition... and more!
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Mark Wilden Veteran user San Francisco 375 Posts |
Google Stackview. It's a great program for practicing stacks.
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Si Stebbins stack is an easy one for a start. I currently use the Tamariz stack.
Cards never lie
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tupawk New user 87 Posts |
Mark:
Thanks for the info about StackView! I just downloaded it and it is great! Have been learning the Tamariz stack and this helps tons. |
Shakey Veteran user In over 4 million i've made 360 Posts |
If you are looking for powerful Magic -Simon Aronson is well worth the time and effort (see Bound To Please)
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
You can get freedownload 20 page pdf file about Memorised Stack from Simon Aronson's site, namely "Memories Are Made of This".
I think this is the best to start learning the Stack. Hideo Kato |
Jlowhy Regular user 158 Posts |
If you're serious of getting into MD, and want to learn the Tamariz stack, buy Mnemonica. It teaches the Tamariz stack and has a wealth of information in it.
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
The joyal stack is very easy to learn. You can literally learn it in a few hours and know the exact location of every card. It's the one I use
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J.Robert Loyal user Gettysburg, PA 240 Posts |
The first stack I learned was Osterlind's from his dvd Mind Mysteries 2. He teaches the stack (which must be easy enough if I can learn it) and gives several routines that can be done with it. I've had a lot of fun with it.
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ChristopherM Special user UK 844 Posts |
Nikola is also a big name in this line of work.
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Led Heflin New user 55 Posts |
I've learned a little now about using the Si Stebbins stack, and it raised a question-- do you think such an ordered stack ever looks a little too ordered? Is the Stebbins stack typical of these methods?
I'm reading the Aronson book for a second method to look into, and all these suggestions have been most helpful.
Let him borrow and return his handkerchief like a man, and trust to his sleight of hand.
<BR> <BR>--Edwin Sachs <BR> <BR>http://www.myspace.com/ledheflin |
ambassador365 Loyal user 201 Posts |
Seamus, I recently memorized the Tamariz stack using a mnemonic peg system that I learned from Harry Lorayne's memory book.
Although Tamariz offers some helpful suggestions on memorizing his stack - I would have NEVER been able to do it without Harry's system. You'll trip out on how fast you'll be able to recall the cards after a few hours of practice. To get the stack down cold - it took me about 3 and a half weeks. The StackView program was very helpful, too. Good luck! Rudy Tinoco |
Mark Wilden Veteran user San Francisco 375 Posts |
I'm reading The Memory Book right now. I find its techniques very useful for remembering people's names. I'm sure it would be great for memdecks, as well, because the Peg method, for example, can be used for all sorts of thing. I have a feeling that it would become part of your consciousness, instead of just being useful for magic.
The other thing I never knew about The Memory Book is that it was coauthored by Jerry Lucas - one of the greatest basketball players of all time. ///ark |
Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To Mark Wilden,
As one that learned basic mnemonics from Harry Lorayne back in the 50's I can assure you that it can and will help you all your life. Of course I used mnemonics to lear the Aronson Stack, but much more importantly, I used them in virtually all of my college classes and probably would not have my degree without the help that Mnemonics provided. My first Lorayne book was "How to Develop a Super Power Memory" and I think it's still available today, in paperback for just a few bucks. Best investment you'll ever make if you do put the concepts to use in your life. Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2007-05-02 14:26, Seamus the Mediocre wrote: You seem confused with difference between 'Memorised Stack' and 'System Stack'. There are many tricks can be done with MS but can't be done with SS. There are many tricks can be done with SS but can't be done with MS. Si Stebbins Stack is one of System Stacks. If you are going to make effort to memorise a System Stack, I reccommend to memorise 'EightKing Stack' because the stack has part of SS's functions and part of functions of MS. It looks more random than SS. The beauty in this stack is that it has functions of 'Quadraple Cyclic Stack' which MS don't have. Hideo Kato |
Led Heflin New user 55 Posts |
Thank you, Kato-san (hope I have that right!) for pointing out the difference-- I now do understand the difference you mention, because I'm reading the Aronson work about memorized decks. I like the idea of a system combining functions, so I will indeed look into the Eight King stack. I like the mathematical aspect of systems, but too much regularity seems a little weird! That one might be the right combo.
Let him borrow and return his handkerchief like a man, and trust to his sleight of hand.
<BR> <BR>--Edwin Sachs <BR> <BR>http://www.myspace.com/ledheflin |
Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Mark Wilden: Just for the record, Lucas had as much to do with writing THE MEMORY BOOK as you did! Best - HARRY LORAYNE.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To Seamus,
If you like the idea of a system stack, I think the best of the algorhythmic stacks is Doug Dyment's QuickStack. You'll find it in his book: MINDSIGHTS. It is a 13 card rotation of values, like Eight Kings, but there is an easy to learn system behind these values. And, the suits do not simply alternate Red, Black, or a "CHaSeD" scheme. But the system used to determine the suit is also easy to learn. Doug calls it the "half-Hour" memorized deck. And I think you can have the general idea in that amount of time. You'll want to keep working to build speed. While it does not contain built in effects, it can be used for a great many memorized deck effects. Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
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