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Isramagia Regular user Bayamon, Puerto Rico 114 Posts |
I don't know if the issue has come up before but I'm having a problem with windows in my coin work especially when finger palming larger coins. When I attempt to correct this by pressing my fingers together, I lose much of my naturalness. Any tips?
Izzy
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
The only way to eliminate windows is to keep your fingers closed. What makes you feel it does not look natural?
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Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
Mmmm, I think he might have a point there Dan.
Keeping fingers firmly together to prevent "windows" is safe but does not look to good in my opinion. I have thin fingers too and the way I deal with it is that the coin in fingerpalm is never completely in the vertical plane. It's position is between an edgegrip and fingerpalm which allows the fingers to be more naturally curved while palming, without looking like they are shielding something. I have the same problem as Izzy when holding out a TT in a billswitch. Because the TT is a thick thing I have to keep my fingers pressed together. This causes more questions and guessings from spectators than I care for...
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
It is an honor to have one's routine taken as a path to learn classic coin handling technique. It's a good thing large wall mirrors are available now. First thing, get some access to some mirrors as you are going to need them. Some clever fingerpalm work depends on lining up the knuckle and first joint of your hand to just below the line of sight of your audience. Not angly per se, just finding the angle at which a palm up display looks best.
You are not alone in having thin fingers. this can work in your favor once you get comfortable moving coins between your fingertips and fingerpalm. David Roth suggested noticing how your hands are when at rest, reaching for something and just how you actually hold things and model your magic from there. He also let it be known that this is not the easiest thing to do. The first Galloway book also notes that John Ramsay learned to keep his hands somewhat more closed than most people so that there would be no difference between his hold&Hide and casual stance. Perhaps Denis Behr might be able to make some suggestions as well on this.
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Isramagia Regular user Bayamon, Puerto Rico 114 Posts |
Thanks so much for your replys so far. Dan, when I "press" my fingers together versus holding there naturally, It appears as if I'm straining and indeed "hiding" something or doing something "funny". I do shift the coin while in finger palm, eg; holding the coin in an almost vertical position. I picked this up while watching Bob Kohler's 3 Fly routine. I'm still practicing and looking for a way to make the Ramsey subtlety, my finger palm more natural and convincing.
Izzy
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Amon-Re New user Holland 86 Posts |
As somebody who just begun too touch the surface of what is possible in coin magic i must say that i find that looking natural while doing coin magic is indeed far the most difficult thing too achieve. At the moment i try too close the windows by closing the fingers more tightly than nature would ask from me but it might be a bad way too start because bad habits are difficult too break once you aquired them. thanks for opening this thread makes me review what i'm doing again
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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
I find if you curl your fingers a bit when you hold your fingers together there is less of a look of strain in the hands.
Great examples of seeing this on video is on Palms of Steel 2, as you see some great examples of making the hand look empty when it really isn't. Kainoa and Curtis have it down to an art. (Nothing against Reed, but there isn't a fingerpalm used in International Disolve. Though how he gets three coins from edge grip to classic palm with no noise is surpreme.) GarY Kurtz on his tapes would be great examples as well. Plus little tips are found in his book Unexplainable acts. |
Tony Veteran user Los Angeles 303 Posts |
For the best advise I suggest paying attention to Jonathan Townsend (JonTown) who originated this move (3 Fly). I still do this the ungaffed way (Jonanathan's move). He also inspired other coin handlers to develop other moves based on his routine. Thanks, Jonathan!
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Clayman Loyal user New Jersey 243 Posts |
JonTown,
Sir, Thank you for sharing your advice and details with us. You are indeed, a well respected coin man, and it was an honor to receive such advice from an advanced artist such as yourself. Thanks, Mike Clayman
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Isramagia Regular user Bayamon, Puerto Rico 114 Posts |
JonTown, Thanks for your reply. This question may seem academic, but can you please advise me to the publication/videos where I may study your own 3 Fly routine or other stuff you have published? Again, thank you.
Izzy
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Izzy, The Visual Coins Across may see print/DVD release soon.
Harry Lorrayne wrote up several items for his magazine 'Apocalypse'. One of those 'Coin go-return' has some techniques folks seem to like using today like a shuttle pass variation some call the 'flying shuttle' and the 'retention to edgegrip'. There is another article on some advanced fingerpalm work in the magazine. Somewhere in the SAM magazine is a nice tabled coin change from back in '77. You might get a solid start on the techniques I work from by getting the Galloway books and tapes and working on the Ramsay material. Hope this helps -Jonathan
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Dark Elite user 406 Posts |
Izzy, try holding your coin in your 2nd to last finger, that way you can slightly curl your fingers in a stair step fashion with the top fingers overlapping the bottom fingers.
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Isramagia Regular user Bayamon, Puerto Rico 114 Posts |
Dark, I think what you describe is similar to the finger palm/edge grip combo that I saw Bob Kohler do. In other words, the coin is finger palmed but levered up with the ring finger to an almost vertical position. Viewed by the spectator, it looks like the fingers are in a stair step fashion you talk about.
Izzy
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