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Emmanuel New user Malaysia 43 Posts |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3aGR1Fv3N4
The move is Looy Simonoff's. It is a very old move but it is versatile and powerful. In real world maybe it is noticeable in normal speed, but with right angles of tilt, and a small fraction and fast movement creates amazing change and less noticeable "flippant" move. Maybe the video frame rates in "this" makes it more deceptive. But in this video I shot with the best speed I can deliver on the move. In real world, what spectator's will see is just "handshaking". I tested it on real people, the feedback - Some said they notice the "flippant move" and some said they didn't notice anything except the "handshaking". This is because I have not perfected it yet and it is so hard to control and maintain the speed. I am still practicing this move and found variations on different small fraction of movement which delivers different speed. What do you think of the concept behind this old but versatile sleight of hand by Looy Simonoff and this handshaking concept of mine? Maybe it is nonsense.. So I need your feedback on this video and the concept I was talking about or is there anyone already ahead on this with the fastest and shortest flippant move? Anyhow, I will repost another video in best quality frame rate soon and a demo of with the concept I was talking about. Maybe any of you can try and start experimenting with the moves...the degree of tilting, the small fractions and movement..you will see what I mean. And again, maybe the normal speed flippant move is already deceptive enough unless we wanna try something that I think is possible. If we can do something about speed on the classic pass to make it less detectable, maybe this flippant move can have that characteristic too. |
therntier Special user 681 Posts |
The problem with using the flippant move as a colour change is that the card obviously leaves the deck. You can practice to get it to flip over as fast as you like, but the card still has to raise above the deck at least half of its width. That will be noticeable regardless of the speed it flips over.
To misdirect, I have seen some use just a simple snap of the other hands fingers. However, the most effective uses of the move I have found are from David Harkey and Jay Sankey. Their ideas are really quite good. Because there is a lot for the eyes to follow in flippant (the deck is dropped, the card does a 180 degree flip and falls back on the deck) in such a short amount, these two men have set up situations that add on more thing for the eye to follow. They realize that the spectators will notice something during flippant, so they use that to make their applications stronger. A classic example of turning a move's weakness into its strength. I highly recommend you picking up Simply Harkey. There are tons of good tricks in it, but the one I'm referring to is absolutely stunning. |
Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Gotta tell you, folks, that all this has already been done, experimented with, solved, etc., since I first published Flippant in APOCALYPSE decades ago. HL
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Emmanuel New user Malaysia 43 Posts |
Hi there Mr Lorayne,
Thanks for replying and it will be an honor that you here replying my post. I wish I had my hands on that APOCALYPSE. When you said "experimented with" & "solved", does that means it is possible to create a "sudden" change as in not as noticeable as in the normal speed? In respond to therntier, I have tried tilting it almost 45 degree and you will see it does not have to leave the deck totally like what you think it does need to flip over the deck. Starting from tilting, If you do the motion of up(slowly) and then in a very fast and small fraction of movement - down and up you will get it flipped in a flash. The motion of the sudden down - up must not be so obvious. It should looked like the hand shaking and stop. I don't know whether it is practical or not, but it sure does turn faster (downward force) than the force pushing it up. The challenging part is how to cleanly flush the card after the flipping because the flipping and drop to the deck occurs in a very small fraction. This is based on my experiment with the move. Anyway, the misdirection part, I agree because just like the pass, if speed can't cover the move, just use misdirection. Anyway, I will try to get APOCALYPSE and Simply Harkey in my hands. Thanks mr Lorayne and therntier for making it clear. |
Doctor REvil Elite user 469 Posts |
Grab yourself a dvd with Greg Wilson performing......he does this move soooooo great!.
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chr!s Regular user newcastle 163 Posts |
I have tried for a while now to make this look like a genuine 'transformation',but without success.i think therntier's point is very apt.the card obviously leaves the deck.however,if one is perhaps,'splitting' the six of spades into 2 two of spades',i find that it is quite effective.maybe it has something to do with the requisite psyhological conditioning involved with a splitting effect,i don't know.but it works quite nicely.that said,i still mostly just use it as a production during an ambitious card sequence; I click and the card literally jumps from the deck,landing on top.works.
chr!s
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
Agreed! I perform this move so much, and with the cover Greg Wilson gives it, a snap, just in front of the packet, so the wrist is just above the deck, covers you from almost every angle
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Jonathan P. Inner circle Belgium 1484 Posts |
I agree with the "Greg Wilson" advice.
BTW, about the video, I find the routine pretty complicated. Maybe you just wanted to lead to the change, but the sequence didn't make sense to me. Firt, you do a nice control (apparently loosing the card in the center while it really was on top), so why do you go into a cutting sequence, it looses all the strenght of the magic. Well, I know this wasn't your concern, but since I don't have anything to add about the flippant move... Jonathan. |
jasons_mind Loyal user 258 Posts |
I'll add another knotch to the Wilson belt. lol His execution of the change is flawless. In his hands the change is instant, practical, and amazing.
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rob101 New user 61 Posts |
I use this move in one routine I do and I must say that I shamelessly cover the deck with my right wrist. I look at my right palm, put my right arm across the deck and snap/flip.
Maybe not perfect but it works. |
Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
Another vote for Wilson's handling of this move. Man...I practiced this thing for a couple of months everyday until I got it just the way I wanted it. I use a snap over the deck with my right wrist for cover as well. (While practicing I snaped so much that my fingers would get sore). It looks great and the reactions to it are awesome.
Emmanual, If you don't have pyrotecnic pateboards by Greg wilson I recommend picking it up. He teaches his handling of this move and a lot of other great stuff. Just keep practicing and don't give up on it and one day it will just "click" and you will be suprised at how easy it becomes. Its like second nature to me now.Oh and make sure to practice in front of a mirror and use a video camera so you can really analyse what you are doing. Hope this helps you out. Tim
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The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17407 Posts |
Wilson also teaches this on his Card Stunts video.....
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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