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The Game Regular user Israel 180 Posts |
Are there any known exercises to gain speed? I need proven methods if you have any, methods that really helped you. I can do many flourishes, but I can't do it at the speed of the Bucks' videos, or Daniel Madison's.
If you didn't do any exercises other than just doing the flourish over and over till you get the speed you need, how long did it take you approximately to get it down? Let's take for example, the Syble cut - or something else in the middle range of difficulty. Thanks. |
fingerjack Special user CT, USA 574 Posts |
I think you just said it yourself "doing the flourish over and over till you get the speed you need." That about sums it up for me. I play guitar as well, I find that a metronome is excellent in helping you keep a good rhythm and then gradually speed it up to increase your speed. I can't say that I do it often with cards, but I have and I was surprised at the results. You may be to. You can download a free metronome for your PC somewhere, just google it. Of course you could always jam to your favorite music or something that has a good steady beat (unfortunately, techno-crap is actually good for this), and you alter your style and tempo for the different parts of the song. Other than that, all I can think of is practice, practice, practice, but make sure you are practicing the right way. Consider practicing to a metronome or groovy tunes.
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under the table New user Detroit 81 Posts |
The major trick is this, practice it slowly. SUPER SLOWLY is the key. I can do some stuff pretty fast, but you gotta practice it slowly, the slower you practice it, the faster you can get at it. Just do everything super slow a couple of times, then work your way up. Also, make sure the flourish or trick is PERFECT when you do it slow (thats why you do it slow), then when you get it down slow and perfect and do it repeatedly, you'll be faster at it plus it will look nicer if it doesn't look perfect already.
Also, "smoothness creates the illusion of speed." |
actuary_day_job New user 8 Posts |
Here is a music quote I posted on another thread:
"Speed comes unbidden after accuracy" -Harold Mitchell |
closeupcardician Special user Justin Teeman Moore, OK 602 Posts |
Practice Practice Practice....
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Quote:
On 2007-07-23 09:13, actuary_day_job wrote: you are right - speed can only come if the handling is flawless, as the smallest flaw will have a ig impact once you increase the speed.
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acetucker New user 37 Posts |
What are some of your favourite flourishes? Jis' wonderin'. I only know a few false cuts, do they count as flourishes? They're not very hard, but pretty flashy for how easy they are.
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Xtreme Manipulator New user 49 Posts |
If these false cuts are flashy, I'd include them as being flourishes. There are some incredibly hard moves out there. I can do 7 card juggling, a feat which de'vo does not believe to be possible and has challenged me to produce a video of it, which I will be doing in about 2 weeks on the superhandz forum. Anything from the Ulmen Trials is pretty hard, but I can do all of them. My favourite flourish, don't have one but I love daniel madison's stuff.
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Xtreme Manipulator New user 49 Posts |
Also XCM Fire Elementals
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acetucker New user 37 Posts |
Do you only do xcm? or magic,& sleights, too?
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
Old axiom, fast is slow, slow is fast. Master it slowly, and then it is a matter of practice. Speed comes from familiarity not from training to rush.
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acetucker New user 37 Posts |
I'm new, but ive seen some of the flourishes you're talking about. They're pretty cool. Do you have any tips for one-handed flourishes, I have small hands
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wpt1031 Loyal user Toledo Ohio 237 Posts |
Just take your time. With do time everything comes together and BAM your doing some fancy flourishes.
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biff_g Loyal user Canada 240 Posts |
Actually, I disagree a little bit with most people here. If you look at most physical skills in sports and athletics, repetitive practice is useful for learning the skill, but not for improving speed. Once you can perform the skill (and in this case you say you can perform the flourishes), pure repetitive practice becomes much, much less effective for improving anything exept for performing the same skill over and over consecutively.
In order to increase speed, you have to focus on speed. There are a few different ways to do that, but since a flourish is a complicated combination of many elements, this is probably the most effective way to do so. You actually want to practice the flourish at a speed that is almost out of control. Practice at a speed where everything looks rushed, where you might not make it through the entire flourish, where you might lose a card here or there, etc. Now here's the key... at no point do you want to feel like you are "getting the hang of it." You want to constantly push yourself to go faster and faster, and always remain on that edge where you are going just a little bit faster than you can handle. Every once in a while, go back and do your flourish at a comfortable pace. If you've practiced long enough at that almost-uncontrollably fast pace, your comfortable pace will be faster. How long do you do this for? Well, it's hard to say because everyone is different and it depends on how fast you want to get. But if you practiced like this for say, 30 ish minutes two or three times a day for a few weeks, I think most people would be able to see results. What I would suggest, if you're planning on trying this, is getting a camera and recording yourself now. Then, in a few weeks, record yourself again, and if you have the software and the know how, put them together in a split screen so that you can check your improvement. Essentially what I've done here is taken principles of how the human body learns and applied them to improving physical performance of, in this case, a card flourish. If you'd like more info on this kind of stuff, there are books out there on motor skills analysis, performance analysis, etc. If you have any other questions, please pm me, as I almost never frequent this particular forum. I was looking for something else and just happened across this topic. Best of luck! |
stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I agree with Photius, that familiarity with the move is fundamental to speed. But once the move is down, biff_g is right on the money: you have to practice to get speed. That's what Bruce Lee said, and he wasn't exactly slow, was he?
Of course, I would say that most card flourishing benefits by being done at a moderate pace. I particularly like to watch a one-handed fan sort of grow like a magical plant rather than see it just pop into shape. Both have their place, but the general rule, IMHO, is that one should let the audience's eyes watch the "growth" of most flourishes. |
Zeitgeist New user 8 Posts |
Been into flourishes for some time, what has been said above is by far the best information, PRACTICE. I also find watching someone else perform the flourish, usually the creator or someone well practiced, helps with speed. You watch their rythem and the way there hands flow, try to mimic it. That has helped me just as much as practice has.
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owln_1 Loyal user dallas /now live by tulsa 222 Posts |
I practice slow over and over until I get a good feel for it, then I put on some fast pace music, something like Ten Years After‘s, “Good Morning Little School Girl,” and work with the tempo for a while.
Then when watching TV I try practice it slow again and again for smoothness. Owln_1 |
ying New user Lichtenvoorde, Netherlands 38 Posts |
Same thing as developing punching speed in boxing; it's all in the muscle memory, provided that the muscles in question are developed enough. How do you train muscle memory? Repetition, as stated earlier. Doing finger excercises also helps.
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Tomer Regular user Israel 113 Posts |
Another thing that my help - if you're performing a cut for example, it's important to practice the entire cut at the same speed. If you're doing a version of a Sybil Cut, it's important to keep it all at the same pace when practicing. This way the speed will come with the whole cut, and still look smooth, and not just parts of the cut.
Another point, try practicing with cards a bit bigger than poker size, you can try and find them... If you practice with these cards, and then come back to your poker sized cards, it would be much easier and much faster than before. Same goes for coin rolls - try doing it with smaller coins and bigger coins than what you are used to... and that will make you work on different muscles every time. Hope that makes sense, Tomer |
tstark Loyal user Arizona 267 Posts |
Aim for smooth and time will take care of the rest once your fingers know what they are supposed to do. With cuts Jeff McBride had a tip that you rubber band the packets when beginning to learn.
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