On 2008-11-27 03:48, Tim Jahn wrote:
See here we get into this thing about one deck of cards being more "Suspicious" than another and some sort of obstacle being created by useing a different colored pack. How can we generalize it like this? If you perform for Mary, Lisa, and Todd, And for the last six years or so these three have gotten toghether to play poker every weekend, and only use cards that have kitties and butterflys as the back design, Wouldn't red bikes be "different" to them?

By the above theory, The bikes would be as suspect as any other deck that was "Different" to them.

So would you then need a compeling reason to use Bikes? Same goes for Tally-Ho's or Bees or Aviators or whatever else. Your basing it on a spectators perspective. And theres really no way you can know what their perspective is going to be. Its great to say "This is what they sell in the local drugstore". But what does that mean? I'm sure not everybody shops in the same drugstore or has the same tastes.

On 2008-11-27 14:52, Cain wrote:
Also a comment on an above post or two: Just because you have not heard a spectator call the Black Tigers/Vipers/Whatevers are suspicious, does not mean they have not thought it. I've seen magicians dress in ridiculous costumes, and I've never said anything to them.

Just because someone does not use brand X dos not mean all non-brand X cards are equally alien.

Well, this is sort of why we play the odds. Why do you practice gambling demonstrations for 21 and poker? What if Mary, Todd and Lisa play hearts and cribbage?

Also a comment on an above post or two: Just because you have not heard a spectator call the Black Tigers/Vipers/Whatevers are suspicious, does not mean they have not thought it. I've seen magicians dress in ridiculous costumes, and I've never said anything to them.

On 2008-11-28 09:34, Tim Jahn wrote:

So there you go. Why would black cards or white cards be any more alien than any other cards.

If memory serves, the last time I checked out the cards in my local drugstore, They had quite a variety of choices. Including coca-cola cards with Santa on them, transparent plastic cards, Black bicycles, A few off brands that were green, beige, and lavender, And on and on. And we won't even talk about the variety at Wal-mart. Barbie, Spider man, Star wars, you name it. After stopping by Wal-mart black tigers start to seem boring.

So based on what your saying, The only ones that they apparently pay attention to are the red bicycles. Why would that be?

I'm sorry. I don't see what difference this makes. Mary, Todd and Lisa play hearts and cribbage. Why practice an ambitious card routine?

The door defiantly swings both ways on this one guys. Just because they don't voice suspicions toward the blue bikes you are using, doesn't mean they are not having suspicious thoughts about them. And as MAKMagic said, [u]Why should people be so concerned with what type of cards your using. If your doing your job, They should be more concerned with WHAT your doing.[/u]

On 2008-11-29 03:12, Tim Jahn wrote:
Which point is that Cain? In the last few posts you've jumped around so much that I figured you were just having a laugh.

Why should people be so concerned with what type of cards your using. If your doing your job, They should be more concerned with WHAT your doing.

Basic intuition? Man.. If know for a fact what kind of cards your specs. use and are used to, You should just skip the cards and go straight to mentalism.

And you still didn't anwser the question. Why would people look at just bikes in the drugstore? It doesn't matter that Bikes are all that YOU see. And BTW those gaudy cards are used by a lot of people. People who don't have your high standards and tastes of course, But your tastes don't matter. I suppose you don't get that.

And I ask, Why are you so worried about the type of cards you use? If your trying to project yourself as having magical powers and that you are above suspicion, Perhaps you shoud just practice more and stop letting the "Props" do all the work.

I don't see how someone who posts in text-speak and brings himself down to the level he's trying to make fun of could call anyone else "Clueless".

On 2008-11-29 02:46, Cain wrote:
Kitsch cards from the drugstore also have their place -- the drawers and shoe boxes of nine year-olds.

On 2008-11-29 16:37, point_blank wrote:
These cards have a time and place in the real world too, I don't know if you've seen it but Cyril Takayama does a brilliant effect with some spiderman cards ending with him shooting a string of web to select the card from about 20 feet away. Hardly something that you would expect a 'nine year old kid' to do. That's just one example of a professional magician using such cards, I'm sure there are more.