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James Munton
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Smartini,

I hate to be a pain, but the way your post is formatted mixes your thoughts with mine and is confusing to read.

Any chance you could edit your post and put in the "/quote" mark-up to separate your comments from mine?

Best,
James
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On 2005-07-11 01:11, The Great Smartini wrote:
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On 2005-07-09 09:59, KyletheGreat wrote:
James,

I agree

Thank you, and you are correct, the routine with the silk and the car is a really good routine. It is one of the best Child abduction routines I have ever seen, and it is neat the way you illistrate what is happening in the case scenario by using magic. I commend ROn COnnley for his creativeness of that particular routine!

As for the great smartini,

I do not believe it takes a trained professional to teach a message like that if it is taught with seriousness (that goes for all lessons INCLUDING GOSPEL MAGIC) You would not have to be a minister or preacher to spread the Holy word of God!. The entire presentation is done through extensive detail, and statistics. Throughout the show, the magic word it "No". The kids are taught the four steps of saying no, and at the end they are tested. After the show, handouts are given to the teachers to give the children in class. I have recieved many thank you letters from parents telling me what a great lesson I taught there child.



One of the most important parts of the program is making it clear to the students what a stranger is. The performer even states that he/she is a stranger. A stranger is not someone you just don't know...it can be somebody you don't know well.

Pretty much...you do what you can do, and I will do what I can do! If you cannot teach through magic, then DON'T. But as long as I know that I can, then I will.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I KNOW MY SHOW WAS EFFECTIVE:

2 weeks after one of the say no shows, there was a man accross the street from the school playground. He was taking pictures and trying to talk to the kids. The children immediately ran to the teacher and refused to talk to the man (just as I had taught them). The teachers then called the police and the man was arrested. Then there was an ivestigation. As it turns out, the man hosts a child pornography web site and his computer was full of photos of children. The chilren who ran to the teachers were asked how they knew what to do, and they responded "Because the magician told us to say NO then Get Away and TELL somebody"!!!I immediately was called by the school and thanked for my presentation. I think that this event is absolute proof that the children learn from my show.

THink about that for a little while Senor Smartini!!


your wording reminds me of the quote about a teenager who thinks that his father is an idiot...ten years later he's asked about his father and the grown man is able to say that his dad has certainly learned a lot in the last ten years...sound familiar?

so I thought about your scenario...and it doesn't qualify as absolute proof...I believe your scenario sounds like fortunate timing...somehow I can't believe that you were the only person that has ever told these kids to "not talk to strangers and to tell an adult"...if this is the case then the parents/school system where you did this show is extremely lacking to say the least...you may have been the most recent or memorable but certainly not the only one and so the children would have done exactly the same thing without your visit...what this means is that the money spent was unnecessary from an educational stand point because what "taught" wasn't really taught but in fact already learned behaviour...if I give a test to a group of students and they already know the material, even without me teaching them, then the time/effort is wasted since they already knew the topic...the usual scenario is often the reverse where the teacher tests them but doesn't actually spend the time to teach them the material...i do a public speaking unit and I don't actually teach them how to research a topic, write a convincing speech, outline/practice/give opportunity for feedback on how to present a speech and then in the end give them a mark on their speech...again not sound education but it happens all the time...my point is the same for much of the junk that is presented as educational magic


Yes I am sure that I am not the only person that has taught the children to say no to strangers and what to do if a stranger approaches them. BUT the message was clear in my show and from the providing scenario that actually happened, it should be clear that something was learned in the show. Just because you think educational magic is junk and is bad does not make it so. Even if the material wasn't taught fresh into the childrens memory bank, it at least refreshed their memory...

Kindof like shcool. Every so many years in school I have noticed a pattern in subjects. We learn things in school that we have learned years earlier but may have forgotton some about. Then we take it a step further. I think that memories need refreshing especially with children. CHildren have to be constantly reminded of things in order to keep straight. It is just a fact of life! I think safety magic is a great way to keep childrens minds refreshed about certain topics that apply to real world scenarios. It could help them in the long run.

And who is to say that every child has had public safety courses and lectures by their parents and teachers? Not many educational systems I have researched actually teach about strangers...drugs yes, but not strangers...and every parent is the good ol "Leave it to Beaver style Parent" who makes sure their child knows these things.

Oh and sorry if you thought that I was insinuating that you were an idiot. I mean nothing of the sort. I was kind of smart alecky in the end and I appologize.
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Kyle,

don't worry about it...as a Smartini I can lean towards the sarcasm side of the pendulum myself...i agree with you that repetition is important and good for messages to take hold and for them to be understood at a deeper and more profound level...i'm concerned about the schools that don't teach about strangers...unfortunately, it's a dangerous reality that our kids just aren't safe and we have a responsibility to teach them to look after themselves...your story about the child porn sicko approaching kids around the school yard is exactly why...i know this is happening in my school district...while I don't agree with some of the routines that you mention I wish you every success with your magical/educational efforts

smartini
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Thank you. And you are correct. It IS VERY sad that there are parents out there as well as schools who do not properly advise students on subjects such as abductions. Personally, I was glad to recieve the phone call and find out that everything turned out okay and that the pervert had been arrested. We live in a sad, sad, world where anything can happen and does happen. Many people think "That couldn't happen to me or in my community" but they have no Idea. I never dreamed of there being a child porno loving sicko in that quiet little town...but there was and he was rightfully prosecuted for his actions.

Kyle
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My turn!
I also do not believe that you have to go to College for 5 1/2 years to give safety messages to kids. I know several people who are not Teacher's who travel the Country giving Safety school shows very successfully.
This isn't something that I take lightly as I watch on the tube more & more children abducted throughout this Country.
I have gathered info from several Federal agencies that deal in this same subject. I.E. National Center for missing & exploited Children, National School Safety Center & National Child Safety Council.
I have have taken a class from Pam Moody in ( Williamsburg, Va.) who is funded by FEMA to do these very same shows.
I am a member of smileclowns.org who specializes in educated others to give Safety shows. For one I would NEVER use the word 'stranger' in a Child Abduction program as 86% of the abductions are done by somebody known by the child. The magic is used in the shows to illustrate your point in a way to grab the attention of the Child.
If done properly, the child will remember your point better by this method than the typical 'teaching' one.
For good references to these types of shows please go to.
1- Charlie check first
2- Smileclowns.org
3- Pam Moody- Yahoo or google it
4- Steve Taylor.com
I will also incorporate Ventriloquism to the show. It will take me months before I complete just one show "abduction" due to it's seriousness. I now have it written out, I now have to go over it a few billion times.
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[quote]On 2005-07-13 14:45, sluggo wrote:
My turn!
I also do not believe that you have to go to College for 5 1/2 years to give safety messages to kids. I know several people who are not Teacher's who travel the Country giving Safety school shows very successfully.
This isn't something that I take lightly as I watch on the tube more & more children abducted throughout this Country.
I have gathered info from several Federal agencies that deal in this same subject. I.E. National Center for missing & exploited Children, National School Safety Center & National Child Safety Council.
I have have taken a class from Pam Moody in ( Williamsburg, Va.) who is funded by FEMA to do these very same shows.

my primary concern with these shows is that you don't have the training or expertise to deal with the questions that these kids might have...you've read some stuff from law enforcement, watched some TV and attended a "class" and now your ready to do this show you've written a billion times...what qualifications do you have to proclaim yourself an expert in this field? Give me a break Sluggo. Can you rehash something from someone else...sure. My question to anyone who might hire you is why you? What makes you the person that they should engage when every other "clown" can read the same information and probably do it for cheaper? Safety for children is something that isn't for amateurs or those looking to make a quick buck. A safety message that is matched with a non-real show is completly the wrong way to go. End of message!
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Um...just in case you did not notice...sluggo is Lt. of the Cincinnati Fire Dept as it says in his profile...that may account for something in the lines of fire safety...I don't know, maybe I am confused...
Kyle Jarrard
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Didn't check out sluggo's profile...but you're quite right in that he would appear to have an expertise in the area of fire safety
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"Reading across Curriculum" has been stressed in our district for years.

Working in a school district, gives me access to a bit of credibility(sic???) but lack of spelling ability.

Many of my summer programs(which many entertainers forget about) were at elementary summer schools. One Nearly Normal Program led me to a picture and caption on the K.C.Star Newspaper's entire metropolitan area. The next day I made the cover of a more localized Kansas City Star Neighborhood news.

Sending out press releases as well as to schools can give you more visibility.

Tim, since you are from this area, I know that you would put on a great show wherever you land. As a person who has seen a few school based programs, all are not up to your caliber.


Be safe, well and have fun.

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