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neoepicurus New user 74 Posts |
Question:
Without the use of perfect faros, is there any mention anywhere (routine/book/video) of a stack that can be quickly arranged from NDO in front of the spectator while giving a random appearance? Not necessarily a specific/famous stack (like Aronson/Tamariz/SS) but rather even a routine or relevant discussion. I'm investigating how one can take a new deck to a state that looks like chaos but that can be reverted to order. [I realize the Tamariz stack (or even Si Stebbins apparently) can be derived from NDO, but perfect faros in front of the spectator might be risky business.] Also, along the same line: one might ask: what are moves that genuinely change order of a stacked deck but in a controllable (i.e., reversible way)? For example, in that category, I am familiar with the following: -cuts -perfect in-faro -I do a variation of Lennart Green's mirror shuffle where I deal out various numbers of cards from the deck onto the table (3 cards, then 4 cards, then 3 cards, and so on), creating a "more random" appearance upon finishing all the cards. Then, reverting the procedure by dealing again takes the cards back to order [PM me if you are curious about the details] So the second question: are you familiar with any other moves/methods published or that you've discovered that seemingly randomize the cards but actually do it in a controlled or reversible manner? |
Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
On Vol. 1 of Greg Gleason's Theater Close-Up, he features a routine that starts with a shuffled deck, has two cards selected, lost in the deck and revealed. Even though it starts with a shuffled deck, the deck finishes in the stack for JC's Super Closer (a full deck stack).
I realize this isn't exactly what you're looking for, but the concepts taught there might be of some help. |
neoepicurus New user 74 Posts |
Scott, that probably is not exactly what I'm looking for but it seems interesting because according to the DVD description, the SPECTATOR shuffles the deck, which means it's a genuinely randomizing shuffle. Since you seem to have this DVD: how long does the sequence which finishes in the Super Closer stack take? Is it a lot of move-y work, or is it the routine itself (meaning the interaction with the spectator for the card selection/revelation) that allows the deck to finish in the stack?
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
You start with a legitimately shuffled deck (it can even be borrowed, but it must be complete). What you're doing is performing a magic routine. When that magic routine is over (about 2-3 minutes), the deck is set-up for JC's Super Closer.
In short, it's the routine itself that allows the stacking of the deck. |
nornb Regular user 119 Posts |
It is possible to get to sweet Mnemonica without using Faros from NDO.
The method is in Chapter 2 of the Mnemonica Book and involves AntiFaro (dealing piles) and, if required, Klondike shuffling. |
Tim Sutton Elite user Tim Sutton AIMC, London UK 461 Posts |
There are many thoughts of genius by Tamariz in Mnemonica; one section is devoted to ideas on setting up a stack in front of (or even with the participation of) your audience. This is something that could be done with any stack, from new deck or from shuffled order.
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Nikodemus Siivola New user Helsinki, Finland 39 Posts |
Drifting off the thread, but Oh Yes!
The Nikola method of setting up the stack during performance is not just sheer genius, it is also a really good trick: I was quite surprised by the reaction the first time I did it. |
neoepicurus New user 74 Posts |
Thanks guys... I have been reading Mnemonica, and it's good stuff but I was just curious about more work along the same lines.
Nikodemus, I haven't tried Nikola's setup method in real performance, but what are you referring to when you say "reaction"? |
Nikodemus Siivola New user Helsinki, Finland 39 Posts |
Audience reaction.
Here's the story. I was performing a few things I'd been working on for a friendly audience. As the second to last piece I wanted to try the Nikola thing, frankly expecting it to kind of fall flat. It went great. If you can manage it, there is a nice rise of tension towards the end -- and the finish is nothing to sneer at either. I realized that what I had intended to close up with would not compare, so I just stopped there. I didn't use the stack then and there, as I was unsure how the first bit would play out: I wanted to be able to cut it short and say "This is taking too long. Switch cards around till each of you holds his or her own card -- among others. Great! Now, you, give me all the spades. All the sevens. All the hearts..." to end it early. There was no need. I do think the method is best suited for impromptu performances, though. For prepared situations there are better ways. |
neoepicurus New user 74 Posts |
Great, I think I'll try it then...
I was previously worried with the Nikola method that the method would allow smart people to perhaps realize the possibility that I might have a stack memorized [BTW, of course, Nikola's method is for impromptu; I mean, otherwise, in a prepared situation, we could always have several stacked decks ready!] |
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