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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I learned the triple pop knot finish to my cut and restore routine from my friend Dick Gustofson, and I have done it that way for over 15 years. Last Friday night I went to the Mingus magic shop in Reading Pa. where they get together once a month for some late night performing on their small stage. After I showed them my triple pop knot Todd Kent just blew me away by doing not the overhand pop knot that I always did, but he did a square knot version of the pop knot that today is my absolute favorite new magic knot.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Al,
We'll have to go fishing together sometime. With the way I cast, there are some named and unnamed knots we can't mention here! LOL Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
Bob,
You have to put out a BOOK OF BOBISM's. Your Zen Magic comments.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Bob,
I KNOW you know that fancy knot that forms on a figure 8, 1 horn, over the nose and opposite (of horn) front leg catch where you miss your dally and your horse spins and crow hops getting whatever slack you have up under her tail right! Sorry guys, it's a cowboy thang! LOL |
Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I am getting excited we now have someone that can interpert what Bob says.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
I've got a feeling that Mickey's life hasn't been as "painless" as he would have us believe.
I do recall doing ranch work when a roped Brahma calf ran under the horse and through to the other side while another mad mamma cow was trying to put a dent in us from the front. In a case like that, whatever you do next is wrong! For a cowboy, it's just another day at the office. Like magic, in cowboyin', there is no post production. Then there was the time I had a bronc lined out down a fence and roped the fence post but missed the horse behind it but between us. Nothing like waiting to grow new skin and bones! (That embarrassed my horse too! Fortunately he got over it and continued working with me.) Mickey, you've got to admit one thing, I bet these town magicians have never used blue medicine. Sometimes I looked like the original Smurf! They also think "hula hand" is a fancy card trick. We'll untie 'em later. Don't sit on your spurs! Ian, How many is in a "Zen"? Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
***I've got a feeling that Mickey's life hasn't been as "painless" as he would have us believe.***
Man, you got that right Bob! Sad thing is I STILL tread that fine line between macho and stupid! My wife tries to tell me that at 50 I can now let the youngsters get in the middle of one without shame due to my "been there, done that" status. Nahhhhhhhh..... those "kids" just don't have the knack with a horse that us elders do! YEAH RIGHT! LOL MickeyStubborn |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Christmas I was going to ask Santa for a new roping saddle. I've only been working out of this one 32 years. (I know where the horn is on this one.) I think I'll wait until I need it.
My ideas about pain and macho have changed some. Now my threshold for pain is bright lights and loud noises. Ian might suggest that my limp is related to the "Bobisms" that got me here. Someday we need to take these folks brush-poppin' and teach them what a pop knot can do for you (to you). Magic? Yep, we'll need it. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1747 Posts |
Al,
I never heard of Pop Knots. However, I did hear of this guy Pop Warner. Sorry, couldn't resist. Bobby
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
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Andre Hagen Inner circle 1432 Posts |
Pop Knots is the father of the Knot kids.
Andy
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On 2007-11-18 11:40, Al Angello wrote: Al Can you clarify: Is the "overhand" method what Daryl teaches? And is the "square knot" version one where you initially tie a square knot and then judiciously cut it to produce a pop-off? (Ency or Rope p115-116?) Or is something different? Those are the only ways I know how to create a pop-off knot, and the two combined make for a very pretty finish to Panama Rope. John
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
There is some confusion about what a pop off knot is. To my knowledge to get an actual pop off knot, as found on the Whit Haydn routine, there isn't a way or reason to do the initial tie of the knot where it is automatically set up. John is correct. Amundo and others are confusing sliding knots etc., with pop off knots.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Yes Santa the over hand knot I was refering to is the same one Whit uses.
John if you get your "Karl Fulves self-working rope magic" book page 48, figure 138, and 139 you will see what Whit and I call the pop knot. On page 43, figure 122 is the square knot version is the knot you are more familiar with. Michael Finney has a really unique handling of this popping square knot on his DVD that I really like.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Yup...that is a pop knot. Once you get the nib in the loop you can do a square knot or anything else you want. The nib in hole counts, the rest is just show.
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Andre Hagen Inner circle 1432 Posts |
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On 2007-11-24 16:55, MagicSanta wrote: That's exactly what I thought from the beginning of this thread. I was beginning to think I was missing something new in rope magic. In one of my routines for kids I tie three pop-knots in a rope and each is pulled tighter than the next, so I can blow them off one at a time. Sometimes I blow on one...a different knot pops off, etc. Good fun. Andy
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Andy,
Can you "pop" them off quietly? Bob |
Andre Hagen Inner circle 1432 Posts |
Bob,
I wish they would make a popping sound, but it's a noiseless ZEN pop. The bit comes at the end of a routine where I tie four ropes together put them in my "knot disintegrator wand" (a pop-away wand which I gimmicked to exchange ropes). The wand doesn't work so I (and sometimes a helper) blow the knots off the (exchanged) rope. Andy
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On 2007-11-24 15:08, Al Angello wrote: Ok, that is what I thought, but for clarity for others, the effect in Fulves, p 43, does not explain how to get those knots to pop-off. It is a small modification to get them to pop-off, but Fulves only describes how to slide them off (a big difference, visually). On page 115, of Ency. of Rope Tricks, as part of the "Shaggy Dog Panama", a noose is created by tying a square knot, "A" in fig 195. Unfortunately it is not described in much detail, and many may miss how to turn it into a pop-off knot, but fig 198 shows all the knots popping off (the middle one appears to have be created differently, fig 188). The only other reference I've found to what you've term the square-knot pop-off, is Del Wilson's 12 Gospel Tricks with rope. It is described very clearly in this booklet. And yes, as mentioned above, having the 3 knots pop-off one at a time can be rather dramatic, especially if coupled with a good story; for example http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=16 Posted: Nov 25, 2007 1:59pm Al I almost forgot, to your original request, in Ency of Rope Tricks p114 fig 188 has a different kind of pop-off knot. I'm not sure its any better than the others, but take a look. John
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Yes John
That is a Hull knot, and I attributed it to George Sands, because I saw him do it on his DVD.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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