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jennings New user 89 Posts |
I was hoping if someone who owns volume 3 (I think) of Bill's latest DVD release could please give a description of the effect he achieves using the memorised deck.
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
Here goes.
Bill shuffles deck. (False, but very convincing.) Has a spectator cut a small pack of cards maybe 12 or 15, look at the bottom card, memorize it then shuffle them. Second spectator cuts a packet and takes the bottom card without looking at it, places it in his pocket. Third spectator holds the remainder of deck and he tells how many are left in her hand. Back to spec. 2. He names the card they cut to and put in their pocket. And now, spec. 1 is the most impressive. They have shuffled the cards he has them fan the deck toward him and he takes a very quick glance at them to memorize all the cards. Then he looks away from the cards and names them, and the last card, is the card that they thought of. Other than the false shuffle, not a single sleight and this is probably the best memdeck routine I've seen. I just hope my puny little brain can handle memorizing the stack. |
panimen New user 91 Posts |
To most memorized deck users though, this routine is just a combination of three of the basic characteristics that a mem deck has to offer. In terms of best mem deck routine, IMHO it's still not as high up there with the miracles of Simon Aronson and Juan Tamariz. With that said though, basic or not, this is still a very strong effect and should be added to any mem deck user's arsenal; primarily for the fact that the stack can be retained after the trick. I have yet to try it on a live audience, but I'm pretty sure this effect would get great reactions. That just goes to show how powerful a memorized deck is, since even the most technically basic effects can hit just as strong to a lay audience. (and a convincing false shuffle can make any mem deck effect go from "amazing" to "impossible")
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2007-12-10 01:36, pepka wrote: Try using miniature cards. |
Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
Malone's "Hands Off Memorized Deck" trick is extremely similar to Steve Ehlers' "Three Card Location," first published in Alan Ackerman's KARDMA (p. 173). Ehlers updated his handling in ARIZONA CARD EXPERT (DVD), which can be purchased online for the bargain price of $3 (a dealer in Utah purchased the rights to the video from Magic Makers). Ehlers also teaches an interesting false shuffle, supposedly Elmsely's.
The thing I like about Malone's is that it's more varied, but Ehlers has one particularly valuable tip on glimpsing a card that makes his video worth getting.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!" |
Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To Cain,
Thanks for mentioning the Ehlers effect. I have the DVD but had apparently not viewed everything. The glimpse you mention is very good. Based on the old "bubble" glimpse, it turns it into something you can use surrounded. Kudos to Steve for coming up with this. I'll definitely use it. Dennis Loomis
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
Hey Dennis,
I had forgotten about the bubble peek, probably because I'm a lefty and it does not work for me. What I actually had in mind was relatively primitive: Ehlers' idea of double-undercutting the top card to the bottom (after a spectator cuts off a packet). This allows you to delay whatever glimpse you choose to use, and it's a fluid way of dealing with two successive cuts. It's really that bloody simple, and I think a considerable improvement over cut-glimpse and remember(!)-cut. Since my first spectator is going to shuffle his cards anyway, I use that to motivate my double undercut. So, first spectator cuts off a packet, remembers his card, and then I tell him to "mix them up"; matching words to actions I double-undercut the top card to the bottom. This is incredibly fair looking because the audience sees I am allowing the spectator to genuinely mix his cut card in, and if the spectator is modeling my actions, then it stands to reason that *I* am mixing up the cards prior to the next spectator's very free cut. I prefer how Malone's routine is more varied, so I do away with a third selection in favor of "weighing" the cards.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!" |
Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
Hey Cain,
Yes, the procedure you mention is very good. Delaying a peek is something I use, but not always in this way. With a regular selection from a memdeck, I had the spectator remove a card and I cut the deck at that spot. I wait with half the deck in my left hand, and half in the right as I ask the spectator to show the card to the others. As he holds the deck up, I put the right hands cards under the left hands cards and hold the deck squared up. This cuts the cards, but it goes unnoticed. Now, I like to patter a bit before proceding. After a slight time delay, I false cut the deck and as I square up, do the all around square up to glimpse the bottom card. I had forgotten that the bubble peek is backwards for lefties... that's a shame because Steves handling of it is very nice. All the best to everyone reading this thread. Dennis Loomis
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shanester Loyal user Darlington, England 267 Posts |
Dennis,
Tamariz has a lovely subtely for the cut. Simply reverse the spread of the cards ie when you spread a deck for the selection the cards are spread from left to right (so the right hand holds the uppermost cards). As your card is selected, which you "make easier" by breaking the spread, all attention is focussed on the selection. At this point reverse the spread of the cards- right to left so in each packet the upper card is now the left-most card. This is a small move and seemingly insignificant. Then the natural way to reassemble the broken spread is for the right hand cards to go under the left hand cards. It looks like you are reassembling a broken spread when in fact you are cutting the deck! I don't know how well this is known but I find it just another sign of Tamariz' genius Shanester |
Andy Moss Special user 713 Posts |
Hello Pepka.
Re: The Malone Memorised Deck Trick. Thanks for your description of this strong effect using a memorised deck.I like it and may use it for myself.The combination of 'card in pocket' 'card weighing' and 'card calling' do all work well in the same effect. Using a marked deck would make this effect much easier to achieve and you would certainly need to really know your chosen stack off by heart.(!) Best wishes. Andy. |
Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To Shanester,
Thanks for reminding me about the reverse spread technique. Is this not similar to Lee Asher's Pulp Friction move? At any rate, I've not used it and I should. Dennis Loomis
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Andy Moss Special user 713 Posts |
Shanester, yes thanks for sharing that with us.
I love everything Tamariz does. He gets away with just about anything due to his unique way of creating chaos and pace in his card work. This method achieves a cut in a devious manner right under the spectator's eyes. Should be useful with a stack which after being false shuffled is fanned out for the spectator to choose a card. The alternative could I guess be to bend a slight downward crimp under the bottom right corner of the 'neighbouring' card. This would be done with the ring finger under the cover of the fan as the spectator removes the card. However this is less direct as you would still then have to accomplish a cut to get yourself in a position to achieve the peak! However combine Tamariz's cut with Osterlind's 'card case peak' and you have the workings of a very strong and clean piece of mind reading. With best wishes Andy. |
Magicmike1949 Special user 643 Posts |
I've done Bill Malone's version & got a very good reaction to all 3 phases. It builds nicely and as already pointed out puts you back in stack order.
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uri New user Israel 95 Posts |
This spread reverse maneuver, "Optical deception" , while being described at the end of Tamariz's Mnemonica on p. 338 is the invention of J.B. Bernat, not Tamariz (see the footnote at that page).
(It is similar to Lee Asher's Losing Control move, not his Pulp Friction move, it is easy to confuse the two...) |
Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
Hi uri,
Thanks for both giving us the Mnemonica page number, and correcting my misstatement about Pulp Friction. Yes, it's obviously easy to confuse that with Losing Control... because I did. Best to all, Dennis Loomis
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