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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Never say "Never"! Rarely will you ever see me do a show in jeans and I was raised as a cowboy. But I have done shows in them in very informal or rustic settings (rodeos, hunt clubs, boat shows, sporting and outdoor products trade shows, rock concerts, and company picnics).
For your age I find no problem with it when it is not under-dressed for the audience. Especially in the country music scene, it is very common. There is also a case for not being "Too Common". If your offering is "too common", it's neither worth the audience's time nor the sponsor's money. Your show is a special event. Character certainly does count. Most of the highly paid professional ones including (Doug Henning) are not the cartoon characters suggested above. The character replaces the individual and has a "qualifying" look. (If you compared Doug Henning's costumes of that day, they were not inconsistent with the costumes of other fad acts of the day in music, wrestling, car racing, etc. Today they would stand out. Although I usually wear a tux for my better shows, back then they were actually costumes versus a true black tux and frequently pastel or white and not suitable for adult formal wear except on stage. Professionals never wore that junk off stage. It was indeed a costume.) Jeans have their place and sometimes that's on stage. However, fitting the character and the occasion are very important. Your show still must be something special. Take every advantage you can to insure that! Help them identify the entertainer. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
I have had several performances where the client requested "Tux with nice pressed jeans and a cowboy hat.", not unlike the one pictured in my avatar. If it's what the client wants, it's what I wear. Within reason of course. The customer is almost always right. The specifics of a costume can be almost anything, but certain criteria really should be met.
1. A clean professional appearance. 2. Truth to the nature of the character. 3. Meet the needs of the client. 4. A visual attention getting aspect to your appearance. (exception: when another effect is called for by character, client, or nature of performance. Rare but very possible.) |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
I'm moving away from the jeans now, but started with them. As P.T. noted, Doug Henning inspired.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Laurie,
You look awfully young to be inspired by Doug Henning. I'm just two years older that he would be now and the "Hippy" movement was long gone from TV magic by the mid 80s. We trashed our bell bottoms, tight shirts and ruffles to actually become very "establishment". Some even got elected to office after the transition to traditional appearance (Sonny Bono, etc.). No question, Doug Henning is a good example of an entertainer for the period. He worked on network television in a mass market. Likewise, he was simply a good guy with a lot of talent in changing times. If you look into fashion merchandising, I think you'll find that jeans that returned later to be more like what we see now. (They are not the Navy surplus of the "hippy" days. Today they are actually much nicer looking, fitting and made.) In those days I also owned a store chain that catered to the "free spirits" of the time. Jeans today are much superior to those of the "hippy" days. Both of the women in my life (wife and daughter) will typically be caught in jeans. Both are stage performing ballet dancers! My wife is also an MD with her own private medical clinic and my daughter also makes more money than most pro athletes as a horse trainer. They like jeans but can "clean up" to be beautiful ladies. I like them both ways. It's a matter of what is appropriate for what you're doing. We serve an audience. Reality is that one size does not fit all. Perhaps you are also upgrading your audience! Good for you! That is another sign of a real pro in this business. What I really liked best about Doug Henning was the comfortable way he related to the audience. We all like to know people on the way up. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2007-12-28 00:10, Bob Sanders wrote: "look" is the operative word, there, Bob. I'm 33. Used to watch Doug Henning on TV when I was a kid. When the show was over, I'd pull out a black crayon, stand in front of the mirror and draw a mustache on my face. Even my sister agreed I looked just like Doug. |
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
Oh what a great idea for an homage act - A female Doug Henning!
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
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On 2007-12-28 10:24, Big Daddy Cool wrote: And by "great" you mean "completely retarded" right?
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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hendoo New user 99 Posts |
The chief rule if you are entering the world of business is clear "Meet your clients needs."
I don't think anybody is trying argue against that. What isn't being acknowledged (well PT did, but I ate his soul) is the other side of the magic coin. Magic as art and a form of self expression. So I say to Wagster, wag on! Do your own thing man! You are only 16. If you are interested in exploring who you are wear what you want. Be brave! If you are lucky your future clients will hire you for YOU! Not what the want you to be. But beware, when working for CASH you will have to make some compromises. If you are interested in creating a business first, one that compromises your view for a clients wishes...well then go for it! The truth is you will have to compromise somethings along the way, regardless of the path you take. But at this early stage in your development you should have fun and experiment. And remember...there is only ONE you. That is what you will be selling so why not be the best YOU you can be! Uh Oh...I ate PT's soul and now I have all of these funny notions in my head... |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I have known Laurie for several years, and even though I have daughters older than her in some ways she is a far better man than me, but Laurie before you do that female Doug Henning act get a perm.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2007-12-28 01:31, magicalaurie wrote: LOL! Outstanding! (Thirty-three? I have jokes older than that! I wish they looked as fresh and alive.) Mine was a guy named Will Rogers. He was killed in a plane crash and had a magic trick in his lap when the plane went down. Most people never understood that the trick roper was a magician. Bob PS --- He wore jeans! |
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
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On 2007-12-28 10:29, Vandy Grift wrote: No, I am being quite serious. Only a woman magician could really pull off a Henning homage today. Male magicians are to fat and bald and lack any grace at all. When the Blue Man Group debutted in the Village years ago, a friend of mine and I went to see the show. he said "that's retarded." I said, "No, they are going to be huge!" 15 years later, who is right? |
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
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On 2007-12-28 13:18, Big Daddy Cool wrote: I was going to write a thoughtful reply to that silly statement but I just decided to cut to the chase and say "don't be stupid". Quote:
When the Blue Man Group debutted in the Village years ago, a friend of mine and I went to see the show. he said "that's retarded." I said, "No, they are going to be huge!" 15 years later, who is right? Ah OK, I be waiting for that big huge Doug Henning homage with a woman playing Doug to rave reviews and smashing success. At that time you can tell me "I told you so". Until then I'm sticking with my original sentiment. Hey, you're a big theatre guy with all sorts of students and protegees, I encourage to put a production together. I'm sure it couldn't fail. P.S. In 1990 ABC came out with a show called Cop Rock that was an attempt to combine TV drama with musical theatre. I said "that's retarded" and it was. The show is now a punch line and is recognized as one of the biggest flops in TV history. So 17 years later who is right? How do you like my logic?
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
There is a market for every product. No matter how stupid or silly it seems to others. Have you seen the smash hit children's TV show Yo Gabba Gabba? If that can get an audience, anything can.
Did you know that in the stage show Peter Pan, Peter is played by a woman? There is a reason for that. The same reason Doug Henning would be better played by a woman - he was a real life Peter Pan. In a production of Wizard of Oz, I played the Lion. The Scarecrow was played by a woman - because she had the physical skills the director wanted for the role. But, back to topic - are Jeans Ok as a costume choice - The answer is YES! |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2007-12-29 10:38, Big Daddy Cool wrote: :crazydude: Got me a little dizzy there. |
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David McCall New user 76 Posts |
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On 2007-12-10 21:08, WagsterMagic wrote: I suppose that it depends on both your character and the audience. When doing a formal show, I wore jeans ONCE, but that's because it was "Hawaiian shirt day," and I had cleared it with the client. But then, I'm more interested in getting the "business" gigs; corporate, etc. And I have probably a few years on you too. Usually, I will wear red and black, a sunday dress up shirt or something semi formal. Jeans, for me, would feel wrong. But then, I'm pretty formal when I'm working. But, it can't hurt to let your clients know in advance, and if they don't want you to (there's a dress cde or something, then don't go against their wishes.) "They laughed at me the first time I wore jeans with a sport coat.... now they're all doing it!" - Hank Scorpio - the Simpsons. |
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