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yin_howe Special user Malaysia 981 Posts |
In Alexander de Cova's Treasures DVD Vol.2. He has a move where he places the ball on top of his palm, then places the cups on top of this ball as he slides the cup and the ball onto the table.
I am playing with it at the moment, but find it hard to get the moves identical for all 3 cups. Has anyone played with this move. Do you guys think this is a better move than scooping the ball into the cup?
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
To me, this is a much better move. Rannie uses it in his routine. Thanks for pointing this out. I was trying to remember where I'd seen it!
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Oh yes I do indeed. What a lovely and economic move! Although I did credit Alexander in my end credits.... I am happy that you noticed it Bill.
Yin, I am constantly working on that move and I am making good progress. After filming my last routine... I went back to the drawing board and practiced harder. I analyzed the move slowly. That is in my opinion the key factor in understanding and developing these kinds of moves. I watched carefuly how my hands worked when I really put a ball under a cup. I found that by adding a quarter turn sideways of the hand with the cup, the steal is more invisible. Of course I do the same with the other cups .... even the legit put! In time you will surel find your own way of doing it as I have. If you would take time and watch my video called Scavenger's Cups... you will see my minor changes that seem to make a phase smoother and actualy easier. Regarding the method of sliding the ball.... I find it very effective as well. Al Schneider does it beautifuly and I first read about it in a Mendoza manuscript given to me as a present. Perhaps a combination of both in different parts of a routine would add variety and even a sense of excitement for you as a performer. I wish you all the best and hope to see your performance when it is ready. Best from Manila
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts |
I don't have Alexander de Cova's Treasures DVD Vol.2, but I am always on you tube looking for rannie's stuff.
I belive this move is in the greater magic cups and balls TEACH-IN SESSIONS Mike Rogers uses it in his final phase just before the final loads are made.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
There is also a vanish DeCova uses that is a wonderful item that is on that same video.
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yin_howe Special user Malaysia 981 Posts |
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I found that by adding a quarter turn sideways of the hand with the cup, the steal is more invisible. Turn clockwise, towards the body, right? (I'm assuming as its the most logical as opposed to counterclockwise, but just to be sure). I'll be sure to work on it more, although I can't devote as much time on it as some of you guys, which is something I really admire. Quote:
If you would take time and watch my video called Scavenger's Cups... Yes, of course I have seen your routine on video, the idea of using different cups just never occured to me, really original, and the final final load is really good too. However, I'm not really a fan of "under the table" moves, but maybe that's just me.. off topic: Just to clarify, 'Howe' is not my last name, although its the same spelling as the western last name. 'Yin Howe' is my entire first name (most Chinese first names have two, uh, words), my last name is not part of my username here. Just some info, however, you guys can still call me Yin, no probs..
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yin_howe Special user Malaysia 981 Posts |
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On 2008-01-02 13:26, Bill Palmer wrote: You are welcome Bill, glad I could help.
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Yin Howe,
The clockwise quarter turn I was describing is away from the body and onto the table. No worries re the under the table move/idea. I too am not a fan of it but felt it was a good follow UP or should I say CHASER" for the last cup phase. Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
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yin_howe Special user Malaysia 981 Posts |
Hi Rannie,
I just had a look again at the Scavanger Cups routine. I believe for the middle cup you did not use this particular sleight, am I correct to say that? Is that the 'minor' change you were referring to?
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Yes Yin as well as the third cup of course.
Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
fortasse Inner circle 1201 Posts |
As a matter of historical interest, the move in which a cup is placed mouth down over a ball on the palm of the hand with the ball then being "scraped" off the palm onto the table has been around for quite some time. It is described and illustrated, for example, in Hugard's Modern Magic Manual. I have the 1957 edition but this book actually dates to 1939.
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