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flipped Regular user 109 Posts |
When doing the coin bite, which hand do you put your gimmicked coin in? everytime I toss it back, it makes a clink sound =/
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ixnay66 Inner circle Denver 1525 Posts |
I gotta admit, when I saw David Roth do this as a throw away effect on one of his videos, I thought it was a rather weak application to a very cool gimmick. After David Blaine did it, the folding quarter/half gimmick has now become "Coin Bite." I think a coin in bottle routine is so much better. Plus every guy and his brother isn't doing it. John Bannon has a great routine in Smoke in Mirrors. Check it out, you'll see what I mean.
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Geoff Latta Regular user New York 158 Posts |
The *** thing is in Bobo, for cryin' out loud.
Next I'll hear about a new "Blaine" effect where his assistant is locked in a trunk while he stands on top of it.... Best, Geoff
"There is a thin line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line." --Oscar Levant
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John F New user 35 Posts |
ixnay66 I agree.
I think the "Bitten Coin" (U.K) is a very nice optical illusion with the wright lighting but there's no getting away from the fact that it's obviously a trick coin. Unless like David you find the most gullable spectator(S). The only part tht fools them is, "How does that trick coin work?" Until they can walk into a magic shop and but that whole thing. That IMO, is not magic. I used to think the same about the "Cigarette Through Coin" until I saw Derren Brown's lecture and realised that this effect (with a Gibson £1 gimmicked coin) can be stuctured so that it looks like real magic. You clearly call attention to the switch because in the spectators mind a switch never happens. They have their £1 coin and their cigarette in their hands, and you, with your sleeves rolled up, showing both hands clearly empty (they are), say "Look, your coin, your cigarette, no switching of coins", et. You slowly take the spectators coin and cigarette and without any moves whatsoever and no cover, you slowly and clearly perform this miracle. What could be more magical then that? As for the "Bitten Coin", as far as I know, it cannot be structured in such a way as to look like real magic. You have to switch the coin in such a manner that you have to have the coin leave their sight, and it leaves their sight while in your hands. One could say, "Use misdirection". But with the "Cigarette Through Coin" you need no misdirection when the magic happens. That's what makes it so impossible. Because you make sure that the coin never leaves their sight and that they realise that you never switch it. A seeming miracle. Take care. John. |
Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
ya i got to admit the whole coin bite thing has a bad structure. just borrowing a coin and biting it isn't much of an effect. coin in bottle can be made into a good routine. i love what Ammar did with it and it looks great.
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Mugician New user 63 Posts |
I've got one of these coins. Where can I learn a good bottle routine?
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Howzaat New user United Kingdom 29 Posts |
I have the "bitten" coin, or whatever you want to call it. I find it hard to convince people as most of my friends can see the folds. It's a shame because I think it was a good invention. I purchased mine from:
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magician_carter New user 79 Posts |
Mugician,
Mike Ammar has a great routine and you can get it at AmmarMAGIC.COM in his 2000 lecture notes. Coin in the bottle is a good effect and I use it frequently, people seem to love it and want to try it themselves. Enjoy it, Carter
Without Magic, Life is Boring.
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Mugician New user 63 Posts |
Thanks Carter. I knew there had to be some good routines out there other than the coin bite.
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ixnay66 Inner circle Denver 1525 Posts |
I think John Bannon's is good for close up due to its size and the presentation is well thought out too. He uses a small makeup bottle. Inside is a burnt match. He explains the fire from the match extinquishing in the sealed bottle (The bottle has the cap screwed on) has created a vacuum. He then slams the bottom of the bottle on a coin and it penetrates into the bottle. He then pulls the coin out with a pair of tweezers. I have a friend who used to do it often using Williamson's Strike Vanish as well. The cool thing is it takes up very little pocket space unline a coke or beer bottle.
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KapBoy77 Loyal user Ottawa, Canada 213 Posts |
David Roth has a cool effect using this coin. It's a coins across routine that I've seen in the New York Magic Symposium video. It's called Folding Coins Across I think. David Roth has probably published this effect somewhere else. Maybe someone else would know.
Andre |
hockey Regular user canada 107 Posts |
micheal Ammar has another way to make the hole thing look natural as you bring the spectators coin to your gimmicked coin
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KyleHarnish New user Southern California 51 Posts |
I put the gimmick in the left hand, and whaen your doing the throw back put your hand as flat as possible and aim it down.
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Dmann Inner circle Crossville, Tennessee 1683 Posts |
Since I make the Bite Coin Plus or as some of you know it as 3 In 1 Quarter I have a suggestion that has helped in our presentations at the store. Pop a few Tic-Tacs prior to doing the bite, that way when you do the biting of the coin you can add some extra sounds to aid in the illusion that your really biting off a piece of the coin and eating it.
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sammhoudini New user 66 Posts |
David makes a good point. I always tell our customers not to even bother doing the Bite Coin unless you have a mint or something like that. It really catches the layperson off guard.
If you've not checked out David's Bite Coin Plus, it's fantastic! Sam The Trick Shop - Temecula, CA (866) MAGIC-04 |
Steinbock New user Maine 76 Posts |
Nobody has mentioned the Butter Coin. It's a Half-Dollar with a single cut (like a lot of the bite-out quarters and unlike the standard two-cut folding quarters). Although the cut doesn't look especially like a bite, it still looks pretty good. Just make sure the Tail side is facing the audience or the method is too obvious.
I think the only way to get the Butter Coin is in combo with the Buttercoin DVD, which is unfortunate, because I'd like to have a few more (and don't need the extra DVDs). Steve |
Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
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On 2003-03-02 17:07, Geoff Latta wrote: THANK YOU Geoff! This is an old gimmick. And it is a gimmick! The idea of using a device like this, meant to be substituted secretly to generate a magical effect, and practically revealing it's workings, certainly advertising the fact that there is a special coin, is ludicrous. There is no magic to this whatsoever. On the other hand, there are some brilliant applications of a folding coin, not the least of which is the previously mentioned "Coin in Bottle". Do a little homework and you'll find the coin you own is a devastating weapon, properly applied. "Coins Across" with this as a one-ahead method, "Coins Thru the Table" using it the same way, etc., are all avenues worth exploring. As Geoff so eloquently insisted, read Bobo! Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
I don't mean to be contradictory, but I have had great success with the coin bite. (Uh, not any more though, because I've lost the durn thing!)
Anyway, it was frustrating, because even though I have countless other tricks, coins, cards, ropes, what have you, people would always say "hey! Show us the one where you bite the quarter!" Or they would get their friends and say "Hey! give him a quarter! Now watch this!" It got to the point where I literally walked around with a fol***g quarter palmed in my hand ready for a switch, so that when they asked I wouldn't be caught off guard, and I could always make it look totally impromptu. Honest. I couldn't get away from it. It became both a curse and a blessing at the same time. Problem was this. I performed the effect for someone, and two or three months later when I thought they had forgotten about it, out of the blue, I would inevitably run into them, and you guessed it. "Hey! Show us the trick where you bite a quarter!" I was being stalked by this one effect, and nothing else, no matter how good, seemed to top it. And in case you are wondering, yes, I know somw pretty a** kicking effects. As for the switch, I just did it as casually and naturally as possible, sort of like it was no big deal, and did it on the offbeat, or when they were laughing or talking or some other such thing. I never made a big deal out of it, and it worked just like a charm. This little effect made my reputation. And I had a blast in the process.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
I use to put fy folding coin in my TT. and do a sleeveless shirt "barehand" coin production. Its kinda silly but of course its not a solo effect, I go on to a routine that allows me to swutch it before the actual routine.
These are great tools! We just have to veer away from what everybody is doing. We have to be daring and creative. Peace, Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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