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Katherine Anne New user 91 Posts |
I have a question for all those hypno-therapists out there...
When doing a hypno regresion, is it possible for the subject to hallucinate the events and make it up? -KA |
Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
Even without hallucination it is possible to "make-it-up". A basic premise: "What the mind cannot recall, the mind will create". Memory is not like a DVD in that when you hit "play" it reports the same thing everytime.
Memory is flexible, adaptable, and changes based on a number of factors. This applies to age-regression. If you are talking about PLR then you are speaking of pure fantasy in EVERY case.
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
KA
it is possible to hallucinate the events - the issue being that that person can entirely believe in the reality of that hallucination. This gives energy to the False Memory Society who wish to ban stage hypnosis and lay people from practicing as hypnotherapists. Anthony
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
Correct Anthony, and is also why hypnotically recalled forensic testimony is rarely accepted wtihout additonal no-hypnotic validation occuring pre-hypnosis.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is also why anyone who has been "regressed" for pourposes of memory recall is NOT used as a witness.
The other "danger" involved is the "hypnotist" accidently planting memories. The very idea that I hypnotise you to uncover a memory, suggests that there is a memory to uncover in the first place, when in reality it may not be there. In that case it will create one for you because it has been suggested it is there. The mind is NOT like a DVD as Richard said. It thinks in pictures. The reason SO many Eye Witnesses can all see the exact same thing and all get it wrong is the following. Your mind tends to think in pictures. Imagine running into a room, looking at a picutre just for a few seconds, under extreme stress, bad lighting, and running out. As a matter of fact your not even sure WHAT picture to look at. Naturally when you interviewed the witnesses you would have many different opinions of what exactly happened. That is what it is like to witness a crime. First off your not even expecting to have to recall ANYTHING and it suddenly happens. BAM. Sorry for the long winded ex cop non hypnosis related answer, but it is interisting to know, and knowing how the mind works helps us do what we do.
Danny Doyle
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Katherine Anne New user 91 Posts |
Thanks so much everyone for answering that question!
There are very insightful people on this board... Thank you again, KA (And I am terribly sorry for my spelling....Regression. I got it now. lol) |
George Chan New user 42 Posts |
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On 2008-02-07 22:17, Nongard1 wrote: Would you say the same of someone talking about Christianity, Islam or any other spiritual belief? If you are of one religion and see someone of another religion praying would you say they were engaging in 'pure fantasy'? I don't want to start a theological debate but dismissing PLR as 'pure fantasy' is no different from dismissing other religious and spirtual beliefs. Disclaimer: Nongardi is entitled to his opinions and so am I. I just wanted to post an alternative view not start a spirtual war |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2008-02-09 09:11, George Chan wrote: Actually you are wrong. PLR is not a religion. The belief that we are visited by people from other planets nightly can be a religion, anything really can. This does not change facts in our physical universe. Your arguement can be made for ANY belief. Yes you are entitled to any opinion you choose, but you are not entitled to be right. You can be of the opinioin 2+4= 1739. This does not make it right and it does not make Richard mean or dismissive but simply stating facts as our universe has set them forth. Posting nonsense only to put forth a "different point of view" and be contrary is simply argument starting and has no place on a board that wishes to help people. It in no way furthers her question. I said it on another thread just now and it is true. There is no virtue in simply having an opinon, especially if it is wrong. Mathematically by the way look at PLR. I have met HUNDREDS of people in my work who were Cleopatra. Some men who want to shock me to say that you can be that in a past life. Well how come I never meet a stable boy? Why do I never meet anyone who was nobody famous in a past life? Should I not have met THOUSANDS of them for every ONE Cleopatra? Mathematically yes if there was validity to the situation. When you hypnotise someone to uncover a past life, you have just planted the suggestion that they HAVE A PAST LIFE TO UNCOVER. So at that point it is PURE FANTASY, no matter if it is a true or not. I hope this helps. Richard is one of the most knowlegable people about hypnosis we have here, and also one of the nicest and most neutral. I however am not so I thought I best answer for him. If I missed anything let me know. I am also not expressing Richards views, only mine.
Danny Doyle
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S. Lea New user 83 Posts |
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On 2008-02-09 11:23, Dannydoyle wrote: You have missed the point Danny. George has claimed that belief in PLR is a belief in the same way that religious beliefs are beliefs. If PLR can be dimissed as PURE FANTASY why can religions like Christianity and Islam not also be dimissed as a similar fantasy? If you think that PLR is a different kind of belief then you will need to find an argument for Christianity, Islam and other religions being special cases, distinct from PLR. There are many rational arguments against PLR. It is a myth that subjects always or even tend to claim to be famous figures, this hasn't been the case in my experience. Suspicions are aroused when questions are asked in terms of language and understanding. For example, if someone claims to be from 12th Century England and can hear people talking - how can they understand the conversation? Are they hearing the language in old english or modern day? I have researched PLR and had participants claim to be animals, remembering animal thoughts in language. Since animals do not have a language, it raises the question of how the pp is translating animal thought into language. Whatever your opinion of PLR, if it is manifested as a belief grounded in faith then there is no difference, in terms of dismissing it as PURE FANTASTY, between faith in PLR or an established religion. If it is wrong, intolerant, etc. to dismiss Christianity as a fantasy, then morally, it is wrong to do the same with PLR. If, however, you don't think there is anything wrong with this type of criticism then, whether right or wrong, you are consistant. |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
OH yea you bring up some great points. Especially about understanding animal translations. Really makes your point. You have to be kidding.
You can believe whatever you like. I don't care. I know now why I had stopped posting here LOL. First off this is not a theraputic board, it is simply for performers, and PLR has NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. Is it morally wrong to dismiss that a racoon passed gas and the universe was created? It is a belief right? Stop with the lessons in morality, stop the moral relativism and let it go.
Danny Doyle
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S. Lea New user 83 Posts |
No-one is asking you to believe anything Danny. My point about animal translations was not in support of repecting people's beliefs, I thought you would find it interesting that's all, since it is related and supports your position that PLR is a false belief. My post has absolutely nothing to do with moral relativism at all, quite the opposite.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Sorry to jump, it came off wrong or I read it wrong.
I am sorry. Wait let me say that again, I apologise. I hope I made that clear.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
S. Lea New user 83 Posts |
Very clear
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
Wow, go hang out in Vegas with some hypnotists for a day and come back! LOL
And yes, I was I suppose injectng my opinion. An opinion I am entitled to just as you are entitled to your opinion. Danny is correct, nobody needs to share my opinion on this subject in order to be a great stage performer - and that is what the board is for. You can have ANY faith you want to and be a great stage hypnotist. Is that also true for hypnotherapy? That is a different discussion board..... Next time I will keep my biases to myself when not directly related to stage hypnosis.
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