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magician8 Veteran user 383 Posts |
I'm sure this idea has been used and done, but I was just thiking, if you find a dealer that shuffles sloppily or always holds a block of cards in the bottom, you could eliminate cards you don't want and give yourself a better chance of winning by estimation.
Has anybody tried it here? did it work? 8 |
iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
Its been done long before you and I were probably born..
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magician8 Veteran user 383 Posts |
Have you ever done it?
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
I'm not good enough to do that...
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C. Loubard Special user 615 Posts |
Form of location play
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
If you are lazy....just keep track of a couple of cards that are together.....a poor shuffler will have a hard time separating them because of the clumping effect of a poorly shuffled deck.
Of course, you can get unlucky and the cards will clump unfavorably....but, the odds are in your favor. People have also use this technique to intentionally make sure groups are cards are not mixed during their own shuffles.
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Pavloter Special user 529 Posts |
Well magician8, if you spend at least day playing poker while using this system, you will know that this is shovle tracking method. Cause you will be digging yourself a hole during a game. This is one of the methods of getting broke drawing. Plus it could be only used for Holdem or Omaha.
Pavlo
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h2o Veteran user 305 Posts |
I don't really agree that it could be only used in Holdem or Omaha. There are plenty of games in which this kind of location play gives an advantage.
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this is shovle tracking method [...] This is one of the methods of getting broke drawing Don't know what 'shovle' means, but I think we're back to the same old problem: in a game, if you're not a good or at least an average good square player, then because of you're lack of understanding and handling an information, you could still be a loosing player even if you cheat... |
Pavloter Special user 529 Posts |
I misspelled, its shovel. But we talk bout poker here, so yea, its only in Omaha and Holdem, and still I wouldnt put my money on it.
Pavlo
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
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On 2008-05-05 08:31, Pavloter wrote: What about Stud games?
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Your odds get better of you tie shuffle tracking with edge marking or other marked cards
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Pavloter Special user 529 Posts |
Quote: Well I don't really think it is applicable there at all. Unless you track cards in big ammountsOn 2008-05-05 16:36, iamslow wrote:
Pavlo
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
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On 2008-05-05 17:36, Expertmagician wrote: Yeah, the odds get better of you getting your teeth knocked out if someone finds the marks on the cards...
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
First they have to prove who marked the deck ... Playing a dumb and stupid is a great disguise .... perfect for a nerd act
And if you use some of the more sophisticated marking techniques, I would not worry about it being discovered The last time I looked, I had all of my teeth
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h2o Veteran user 305 Posts |
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The last time I looked, I had all of my teeth Well, that's because people pay to be fooled in a magic show. They won't be really much upset if they detect your marked cards. In a card game, people lay their money with the hope to win some more. They usually won't appreciate to be ripped off by a cheat. |
iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
ALl I was trying to say is why bother tracking if the cards are marked anyways? I know I would have a headache trying..
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Clock Elite user Los Angeles, CA 460 Posts |
This is like the best thread ever.
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2008-05-07 04:30, iamslow wrote: The reason why is that edge marks are obvious if you look for them and they are hard to read from a distance. If you large marks like Juice or Luminous, which may be read across a table, it is sometimes nice to know which cards are coming & when. So, the suffle tracking will give you an approximate location and allow you to estimate when the marked cards will be dealt. When the marked card is on the top of the deck or if it was dealt to someone...then you KNOW becaise the crd was marked. In summary, the marked card verifies your shuffle tracking "estimation". Shuffle tracking is also useful to know which cards may be out of play. H2O, You are right about being caught with marked cards when performing magic and gambling. I am talking about using these technqiues for gambling demonstrations and/or expose's...never for cheating. That would be illegal and immoral. But, each person has their own conscience. Regardless, I personally belive in using the best technology and techniques available since I don't want to be caught by anyone, including my fellow magicians But, that is a personal choice.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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This is like the best thread ever. I've been on the edge of my seat since the first post. It's amazing how you can have a thread, and not even have anything in it!........I can hardly wait 'till the next post. |
Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Blah...blah .... blah ....
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