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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
We wouldnt want that now would we?
keep up the good work |
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
The question is about the aspect of a medieval grimoire (not Renaissance or Art Nouveau...):
This may help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Kells http://altreligion.about.com/library/tex......exts.htm |
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
Omg I so forgot about the book of kells!
thanks curater! |
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
You may also look for antique buddhist Kammavaca or Ethiopian Manuscripts in Ge'ez on parchment or Codex and so.
Or papyrus scrolls and others from the Library of Alexandria. Or fragments of writing on poteries or Babylonian Demon Bowls. Printed paper was scarce in the Middle Age (especially before Gutenberg)... And medieval magician doesn't mean European ... |
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
When I think of old magicians I think of them as eclectic, collecting power from all sources.
so all of these will work for what I need. now to research them. |
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
Same old rule : Lateral Thinking...
Look here for some wonderful antique Mongolian books (including astrology) http://www.mongolinternet.com/mongolnom/ancientbooks.htm |
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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 607 Posts |
The manuscript found in saragossa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manuscr......aragossa this is of course a huge tangent, but whenever thinking of mysterious books, this novel comes to mind. Also, thinking about this, I wonder about the idea of the "frame tale" as a device in a bizarre magic presentation. I think this is something that a lot of magicians use without really thinking about it. The frame tale is a device wherein a story is used to frame the telling of other stories, like Scheherazade's captivity and peril in 1001 Nights, or the travellers on a pilgrimage to Canterbury in The Canterbury tales. I think a lot of magicians present a character to their audience, such as Chelman's curator, who functions to tell the stories and frame them into a larger performance for the audience. Perhaps books like this, where the tales eventually can come back to influence the framing story itself and there is a great deal of interplay can help give us insight into how stories are presented...
Mr. Quackenbush believes that there is no such thing as a good magic trick.
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
I've been interested in Jan Potocki because of his suicide. He killed himself with a blessed bullet made from a silver strawberry (from a sugar bowl)... The first recorded use (at least I could find) of the use of silver bullet (to kill a werewolf, the legend tells that he believed to be one).
In the case of the Beast of Gevaudan, only blessed bullets were used, there's no historical record about silver ones. If you find historically recorded use of silver bullets against witches, werewolves or vampire, I'm interested. There was a tradition of shooting a silver bullet in the clouds to kill witches... |
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
This site is interesting....http://labyrinth.georgetown.edu/
even a section on magic |
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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 607 Posts |
Not that I can back this up, but I always !@#umed that it was a folk tradition that evolved as follows
Diana, the goddess of the moon, was symbolized by a silver bow and arrow. Much pagan wolfworship a la romulus and remus existed side by side with Diana worship. werewolves were an attempt to create a fear of the wolf spirits of Etruscan, Germanic, Frankish, and Gaulic wolf worship during the Roman/Barbarian conversion. Werewolves, being an evil !@#ociated with the full moon, could therefore be put down by the goddess of the full moons weapons, the silver arrows of Diana/Artemis who long remained an idol among the folklore after the christian conversion gave rise to the fear of the angry wolf spirits who were now called demons by the roman church. Again, no real documentation for that folkloric etymology, but I think it makes a bit of sense? Also worth noting, in later years Hekate the goddess of magic was often closely !@#ociated with Selene the goddess of the moon in mediterranean mystery cults who wrapped all such figures up together in a sort of artemis-diana/hekate/luna-selene/Isis-Astarte great mother. Possibly some mythic cross pollination took place there?
Mr. Quackenbush believes that there is no such thing as a good magic trick.
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
The Beast of Gévaudan (French: La bête du Gévaudan)
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
The Beast of Gevaudan wasn't killed (or hunted down) with silver bullets, but blessed bullets. A previous post showed how difficult it was to make silver bullets, even round ones.
I'm looking for historical evidence of the use of silver bullets pre-dating 1815 against various monsters. |
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
Ok ill see what I can find
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