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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2008-05-26 23:02, balducci wrote: Hey, I live just 6 blocks from #7 on the list. The Aurora Bridge. They've had so many jumpers in the last decade (over 50 according to the list) that they finally put Suicide Hotline phones on each end and the middle of the span. Don't know it it has helped or not since they very rarely report on the news here when people take that final plunge. We also had a strange murder suicide involving a bus a few years back on that bridge as well http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/28/bus.crash.04/index.html I suppose if you're going to go you might as well take someone with you. Fortunately I was on vacation in England at the time of the mishap as it was the bus I take to and from work.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
OK, I lied. I couldn't resist returning to this thread.
While Tom's beautiful words were...well...beautiful, and while Destiny (who used to be beautiful, and maybe still is, but you wouldn't know it any more from her avatar) beautifully pointed out the beauty in Tom's beautiful words, and Dustin beautifully joined in... ...I feel compelled, by my past history of depression, by the news I got this week which I alluded to but won't go into publicly, by my general desire to improve us all morally and intellectually if not magically, to say this: When you are depressed, you ain't thinking straight. Tom says: Quote:
Learn to count your blessings and you won’t have time to contemplate such things as jumping off bridges When you are depressed, you can't count your blessings. You can't see them. You can't see anything. Depression is like taking the flavor out of food. You can chew, you can swallow, you can fill your belly. But there is no pleasure--there is no beauty in eating any more. It's just something you do. Years and years ago I was going through a deep depression, and my ex-wife said, "Just snap out of it!". But I couldn't. A depressed person can't. Tom, I love you buddy, and I agree your words are beautiful. But they have nothing at all to do with serious, clinical depression. How are you supposed to see beautiful words about the beauty of life when you cannot even see beauty at all? Everyone gets the blues. But not everyone experiences a complete loss of the "flavor" and beauty of life for months or even years on end. That failure to "taste" life anymore can be deadly. I'm a survivor. Have a beer: :stout: I love you all. Sort of. I'm feeling just a *wee* bit alone right now, because I doubt most of you will understand this post. I'm playing poker tonight. Should I cheat? Jeff |
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
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I love you all. Sort of. I'm feeling just a *wee* bit alone right now, because I doubt most of you will understand this post. We all feel that no one will understand when we sink to those depths and I'm afraid it's common to feel uniquely sad. There is only one person can resolve the situation - you. Life is tough - and it often hurts - slap yourself and get back to it. You have a choice - sink into a useless soul destroying self imposed black hole or do yourself and everyone around you a huge favor, ditch the self pity and start fighting back - because until you do - it's all downhill. I have to quote Tom again: Quote:
The suicide rate goes way down, the poorer the country is. They have learned to appreciate the little things and are to busy trying to survive to do something so wasteful. I myself always wondered why there seem to be no sufferes of anorexia in Africa. Just realised this all sounds a bit harsh but I promise you I mean it constructively. Destiny |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Destiny, I'm OK, I !@#ure you. What I experienced was years ago.
My point is that there exists a kind of situation in which people cannot snap out of it or be slapped out of it. They end up dying. I didn't die, so I'm obviously not talking about me. The reason suicide is more prevalent in richer countries has nothing to do with poorer people knowing how to count their blessings. It indeed has to do with survival, but do not rich people wish to survive? I accuse you and Tom of this: you are oversimplifying a problem that clearly has sociological and organic causes much deeper than what can be solved by some kind of "whistle a happy tune" solution. But I know you aren't really saying that. I'm not really sure what your saying. I just think that what Josh said has some truth in it. Maybe no beauty. But truth. I myself would rather have beauty. But God or evolution or whatever gave me a strange mind, and the search for truth consumes me. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Love you Jeff.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Not entirely convinced about the "conventional wisdom" about suicide being more of a "rich country" thing: http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:4AP......rg/wiki/
List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate+suicide+countries+poverty&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us That puts USA at #43 on the suicide-per-capita list, behind such not-what-I'd-call-wealthy countries as Cuba, Suriname, Guyana, and a host of others. Additionally, I've read that in India, among other countries (and they rank right behind us and are notoriously non-wealthy) suicides are dramatically under-reported for religious reasons.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
You are not alone!
I took one of those tests to see if I was bi-polar. After I finished, I read how to !@#ess the results: If you answered yes to more than two questions you may be bi-polar, well I answered yes to all but two. I went to a Doctor that specialized in bi-polar disorders and he concurred that indeed I was bi-polar, and suggested that I start a medication program that would cost about $150.00 a month. After reading the side effects of many of the drugs that supposed to combat manic-depression (One of the most common side effects, was suicidal thoughts.) and having made it, over 48 years without treatment, I chose to save the $150.00 a month. I immediately felt better. As to depression, I did not say I do not get depressed, sometimes I get depressed when everything, could not be going any better for anyone, so yes I do understand it. Through it all it has been my faith, through prayer, I have been consoled and made it trough. I have many friends that think I’m a suppositious fool, but I will go with what works for me, the sad part, it could have worked for others that are no longer here, they could not cope because they felt like they were alone. It is this feeling of being separated form, being alone that is the most devastating, so again I will say; YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
Since we're talking about death and San Francisco, here's some fun trivia:
It is illegal to bury anyone within the San Francisco city limits. This is because the entire town is built on a landfill. There's a small town just south of San Francisco called Colma, whose major industry is San Francisco's funeral business. The unofficial town motto is, "Colma: 1.2 million residents, 1200 of whom are alive." |
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calamari Elite user The San Francisco Bay Area 429 Posts |
Colma a town people are dying to get to...also unofficial motto
"I came, I saw, SHE conquered." (The original Latin seems to have been garbled.)
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts |
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On 2008-05-28 17:20, Scott Cram wrote: That's the real estate lobby's story and they're sticking to it, by gum!
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts |
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On 2008-05-28 12:35, stoneunhinged wrote: I agree with Jeff that, as strong and good as Tom's words were, sometimes life is what it makes of YOU. I remember the positive-thinking slogan; "If life hands you lemons, make lemonade!" I used to think that was a great philosphy until I thought; Wouldn't life also have to give you water, sugar and a pitcher? Oh, and some glasses would be good too. Just have lemons isn't going to make lemonade.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
[quote]On 2008-05-27 01:10, Tom Bartlett wrote:
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A little of both. About the life being boring and stupid. The suicides and attempts and such are true and only a few of the ones I can tell. You don't want to hear my serious thoughts. But that's true about anything I have to say. Hell, you shouldn't want to hear anything I have to say. God knows I don't... But I still say it.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5930 Posts |
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Likely because there are more dog maulings than bridge jumpers. . . incidentally, congressional hearings make the news more frequently than dog maulings, but I was under the impression that we where talking about bridge jumpers. Clearly you have not read the entire thread. |
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Dustin Baker Inner circle California 1006 Posts |
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On 2008-05-29 03:05, Tom Cutts wrote: Actually I have, and up to that point we where still talking about suicide via bridges and why people pick the Golden Gate. Perhaps you should review the thread Tom, you'll note that dog mauling are not, nor have they ever been the subject - still wondering why you brought that up.
Think inside the box. . . it's less crowded.
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rossmacrae Inner circle Arlington, Virginia 2477 Posts |
There was a recent feature-length documentary about the Golden Gate bridge as a suicide mecca (article HERE).
The filmmakers spent weeks filming the bridge every moment, and caught several jumpers on film. They also interviewed one survivor, who (I've always thought this was the worst aspect of the method) remembers thinking, on the way down, "I shouldn't have done this." IMDB LISTING |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts |
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On 2008-05-29 04:43, rossmacrae wrote: I saw that movie. It struck me as rather ghoulish the way they kept building the drama around the young guy who you just KNEW was going to eventually jump. Also, there was a media firestorm over it here in SF due to the fact that the filmmakers lied repeatedly about their purposes to the parks department in order to gain filming access to the lands.
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2008-05-28 13:48, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Love you too, John. There is beauty here at the Café. I'm glad to be here. |
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
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On 2008-05-29 04:43, rossmacrae wrote: Thanks for pointing out the OBVIOUS. What do you think this thread is about? It's called the Bridge...The BRIDGE. |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Let WISDOM rule:
"The woman I'm thinking of, she loved me all up But I'm so down today Shes so fine, shes in my mind. I hear her calling... See the lonely boy, out on the weekend Trying to make it pay. Can't relate to joy, he tries to speak and Can't begin to say." WORD! |
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