In Daryl's 3 fly routine, I didn't like the noise the coins would make so I solved the problem for myself. The last time I was at Mohegan Sun casino I kept five $1.00 casino chips that I now use for the routine. They are great, perfectly silent and easy to use!

Rick

Daryl suggests the use of very worn/soft coins. I remember he even gave some tips to get or make a soft coin. That way a "normal" coin could be use and not make sound.
But I guess if you prefer to do it with chips, that will do, plus all the hype for poker can help you to make some kind of patter.

If you go to Daryl's website you'll notice he SELLS poker chips to use in the routine...

I prefer to use soft coins for this routine as suggested but I guess if the patter line fits it doesn't matter what you use.

Hmmm..... I hate to say this, but I like to have the noise for a fingetip visual coins across routine. I even tell my spectators: "Listen, did you hear it go!" SCRAPE!, "There it is, I got it!" CLINK!, as I catch it in the other hand. They don't see the coin fly, but they hear it take off and land and I haven't had a problem yet.....

I should also say I have been using a, sleightly revised to my style version, of Mr. Townsend's VCA routine with some real good success I might add. Than you Mr. townsend.....

I can't wait for Rannie's "B Fly" though! He is killing me with that routine and he doesn't even know it, geesh.....

BFly is the only VCA I do and you're right Fingers, it is a killer!

Don't rub it in Mickey! You don't know how lucky you are. I don't blame you though I would be the same way, ha.....

Has anyone tried coating coins in clear nail polish?

I never coated a coin, but I did sleeve them........Once I nearly missed - it was very clothes, but it went in. (Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself, I should button up.)

Michael,
You should be pun-ished for that.

Fingers,
I had to hold his return flight ticket ransom for him to teach me!

Rannies coin work is superb and he's a really helpfull fella as well.

Thanks Mickey, good idea! If I ever get the chance, hmmm.....

I tend to agree about the noise. It can become either a advantage or a disadvantage. But that I think will count for the magician, which preference he wants.

I agree Rannie's BFly is good. No ping pong move. More like optical illusion that works with the long sighted and short sighted of the eyes. Go close 2 left 1 right, then when it go far 1 left 2 right. that's how I remember it. And his false count is a killer.

First let me thank you gentlemen for your kind words re Bfly.
Mick was the first to see it live in the U.S. and yes..... I was held hostage! Well...my ticket!LOL!
Send mi Hermano Micky a PM and you'll be doing BFly in no time.

Regarding the sound......I think it has its advantages more than the disadvantages as far as VCA is concerned. Its just a matter of timing as coins should really make a sound. Positioning of the hands can also help create the illusion that the sound is coming from whatever hand you wish. You could instantly "swish" or rub the coins together in the receiving hand at the same time you vanish it from the other hand or comence the transit. In my opinion.... VCA should be done in a certain cadence that is just right for the effect to sink in but fast enough that there is no time for the spectator to even realize the sound from the transit. Its all in the arrival area in my opinion.

Re the clear coat....Yes I have tried it and I did not like it at all. It felt like I was holding a dead coin. Its pretty much the same feeling I had when I was a competitive cyclist...(Justin Style should know this...), in the mid 80's I was riding a Chrome Moly frame for my road bike....then came the aluminum frames and the carbon fibers... YES I bought them all to help my game but I just could not feel the road. The Road felt dead. I missed the bumps and the cobble stones. I feel it is the same with me and my coins. This is just me of course so please experiment on your own. Feel is everything to me. If I feel it...I can do better magic...not the best but better than usual.

Best from Manila,

Rannie

Thanks Rannie, I like your thoughts about noisy VCAs, makes a lot of sense. I agree, I think the arrival area is the most important too. The little, barely noticeable, scrape a split second before the arrival I think is good for giving just a tad more creditability to the start of that invisible toss. Nothing needs to be seen, just heard, until that arrival.....

Ray,

There are no hard and fast rules and it all boils down to personal preference. We all have our own presentational skills and characters so the element of sound may be used differently. I remember trying out a Chinese action flick plot where everything has a delay. You know like how they are dubbed in English...? You can see the mouth move before and after the dub? Same thing with the sound of the coins upon the arrival....either there is a delay in sound or the sound comes first. It was just an experiment with the local club members in my circle. They thought it was hilarious and that it would play well with the lay audience. I did experiment and sure enough it did work. I was using my Bfly (for those who know about it) and so I ended clean. No one questioned the routine but wondered how I managed to cause a delay with the sound. My point is that we must use the sound to our advantage. We must practice harder if we want no sound. Soft coins are obviously the way to go but it is not enough an assurance that the coins wont talk. In the same light...I have seen masters who can make regular coins silent as a lamb. YES I have seen it done.

Rannie

PS Ray Fingers.....send Mick a PM and he will help you with BFly!

That is so cool Rannie. I would have never of thought about the delay thing!! That has got to be good, funny and weird all at the same time. I am going to have to give that a whole lot of thought. You really come up with some fantastic ideas, it must be the coffee.....

I understand your point too and I am sure preference is a big part of it, when it comes to sound. The routine I am using now, which is kind of a mix, I think the sound really works well. If I structured the routine differently I could see where my mind could change.....