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dearwiseone Inner circle Portland, OR 1143 Posts |
I'm wondering for smaller stage shows, what's the better illusion in your opinion? The Super X from Abbots is only $700, the 360 Levitation is $1200 or so. Is the 360 that much better of an illusion? Thanks for any input!
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
Neither are much good for an actual stage show,
if you will just search the Café you'll find endless, pros and cons of each one, please search then ask. Magically, Walt |
Paulo Cabrita Special user 820 Posts |
Look this levitation:
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=aq34c0zHS7s You can get in http://www.juliolipan.com or in Stevens. Paulo |
dearwiseone Inner circle Portland, OR 1143 Posts |
Walt,
I've searched but wasn't able to pull up a comparison of the two for smaller stage shows. Did you find a comparison of the two for smaller stage shows? Thanks for your post Paulo, I appreciate the help! |
motivationalmagic Regular user Pennsylvania 179 Posts |
DWO,
The Super X is a stationary suspension, no movement. The Lipan Hallucination goes up and down, plus has the Pendragons' 360 effect, which looks great. One thing to consider is whether or not you have a curtain to open and close on your smaller stage venue. If not, I believe you would have to set up both in advance prior to starting the show, and it would probably need to remain there. I know that Klamm's Walkaway Suspension has gotten a few bad reviews here on the Café, but at least it is on wheels and you can roll it out of the way to continue onto other effects in the show. Might be wrong about these, correct me if so. Just opinions from reviewing in the past. Rich |
SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
The youtube clip is not of the 360 version you get for $1,200.
And Rich is correct, you'd need to look at curtains and staging. The Sommers Walk-a-Way is far better than either of these as well. Though, with all levitations, you only get what you pay for, and anything truly versitile and worthwhile will be many thousands of dollars. Magically, Walt |
ReDeFiNe Loyal user Singapore 275 Posts |
I believe there is some misleading information about the 360 Suspension. Correct me if I am wrong, but I owe a set and it can only rotate left or right. You can do the 360 with the board alone and not with someone on it.
The only suspension kind of effects that would work well for any condition is the Chair Suspension. Jeremy |
AaronTheMagician Loyal user 291 Posts |
I also believe there is a lot to be said for dressing and presentation of a prop.
Ron D. Wilson could make a Super X look absolutely impossible, fooling even my eyes. Yet, in borrowing his exact same prop to reproduce the effect, it was not as deceptively setup. Still played and wasn't exposed, but just didn't seem as mystifying. So, whatever you choose, spend a great deal of time looking at it from all angles and playing with different ideas for angle covers. |
motivationalmagic Regular user Pennsylvania 179 Posts |
I checked with Stevens Magic regarding the Lippan 360, and they wrote back saying it is $4500, not $1200. I also wrote directly to Julio Lipan, asking the price in US American dollars, and he also wrote back saying it was $4500. He did say that he contacted Jonathan Pendragon, who gave his blessing for it.
Yes, swings left and right, creating the impression it is a 360. I do not believe that a true 360 rotation around the magician is even possible, unless suspened from overhead? Anyone know? But, this left and right movement, does work effectly to create the visual impression in the mind of the audience members that the girl appears to be circling around the performer. If you watch Copperfield and Lance Burton perform this, it looks very similar, if not in fact the same thing. The illusionist still has to help the girl move back and forth, by lightly pushing on her with his arm. Jonathan Pendragon tells quite a story in his occassional lectures of how he came to "creating" the 360. He said that on one performing, the screw was not tightened fully, and Charlotte accidentally swung around. The audience loved it, and that was the first use of this effect. Thanks for the tip on the Dan Sommers walk away; I'll check his website. Walt, would I assume correctly that if someone were interested in performing such a 360 levitation, that they should respectfully ask Jonathan prior to performing it? In my humble opinion, the chair suspension always seemed a little too obvious to the lay audience. Any thoughts? Just my impression. Rich |
itsmagic Inner circle middle earth 1117 Posts |
Here's Voitko's version of 360. It is beautifully presented.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWYGjxQWi3U&NR=1 |
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