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thurstonlives Regular user 106 Posts |
Hi!!
I would like to conjure all the manipulator artists on the Café and discuss about the tables that are used to put the things, discard the useless and to steal big stuff. Many magicians use them and I think its a very important part of the act and what makes a big difference. We can see these videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldVr2YDRfu4 Jason Byrne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbMzM0F13Vw Raul Alegria http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vO_S2jRkGg&feature=related Arno We can see the different aproaches of them. But the question here is, Why these useful and valuables items are not covered in any magic book? For example, the black art principle that Arno uses in his right stand to steal the parrot is very interesting. I saw in one book one table but I didn't remember the name. We could make a list of resources about black art tables/stands, material, prices, etc... Any idea? D |
bojanbarisic Elite user Croatia 462 Posts |
Who said it is not covered in magic books ? Did you read Table book 1,2 ?
Best, Bojan |
magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Good topic but please be very careful about revealing secrets in this discussion and in an open forum such as this.
Kyle
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thurstonlives Regular user 106 Posts |
Of course Kyle, Im only proposing to annotate resources of the apparatus and guidelines. Not revealing anything.
As I started some fine material but much for the imagination is Dondrake's books. Bojan- I havent read that books, do you mind if you tell me the author or the editorial? Thanks. D |
Daveandrews Special user London, UK 723 Posts |
Thurstonlives - it is a shame that you were not at KIDabra (I know .. it's for children's entertainers !! I just happened to be there, but manipulate as well. To qualify that, I am of the ancients, know my place and my performance reflects that).
Your line of thought is excellent. I find it difficult to discuss, in detailed thoughts, things like this on a forum. It is not the same as immediate verbal exchange. However - this tables 'thing'seems to me like most things, from a manipulator's point of view. You work out what you want to do, then work out, with simplicity, how to do it. A manipulator should start with an empty 'stage', and work from there. Effect first - method second. Thurstonlives - you have started what is one of the most pertinent threads I have ever read on Magic Café. All power to your elbow. Try to work it out for yourself, before reading the books. Very best wishes, Dave Kyle - get yourself to that KIDabra next year. Would love to chat with you.
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ChrisG Elite user Batavia, Ohio 448 Posts |
" the black art principle that Arno uses in his right stand to steal the parrot is very interesting"
I think this is what Kyle was talking about. It is to much in the open forum.
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
This is a very interesting thread. Let's try to discussing it without revealing the secrets. There are so many table designs manipulator use and the table designs itself is an interesting topic.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Dave: I will certainly try to. I really would love to attend and get a chance to meet and chat with you.
Chris: That is exactly what I am referring to. It is indeed a bit too much revealing in an open forum setting. With that said, I thik a table needs to be a combination of 1) practicality and 2) creativity both working togteher. Kyle
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thurstonlives Regular user 106 Posts |
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On 2008-08-27 18:51, Daveandrews wrote: WOW, thanks a lot Dave. Im a fulltime magician actually working hotels in an island. Its a great time to me to research and create effects as sometimes purchasing some items is not so easy. The colleages that works in cruises or islands would agree with me. You are contract for one year one show and them you have to make two or even three different shows depending on the time that the costumers are going to stay. By this time I have used things that I never used in the past and never thought to use them. I have worked on my own illusions and working by trial and error, its really hard sometimes. I had the honor of working and studied with many great magicians and I know some principles. For me this kind of table is called the "mesa inglesa". But of course I would like to share ideas about materials, old principles, etc... Anyway for me is quite interesting how this part of the show is sometimes forgotten. The most complete book that I have readen about a stage magician was Steinmeyer's Alan Wakeling. The Hip Steal is described here as well a good pull. How could we achieve the way of talking about this? D |
kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
My suggestion is that one visit a furniture showroom, antique dealer, and the like; have a look around, or browse decorating and furniture design magazines/books. It does not have to be a table. It could be a standup bass, a safe, a chair, a sculpture, anything ... be creative!
For me the primary function of the "table" is for quick effortless grabs and the occasional ditch. Ask: What is the primary function of the table? Is it scenery, a prop or should it go unnoticed? Will it be used as a travel case too?
POOF!
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Kregg: Great advice there. I do that a lot. I find myself walking through Ikea or Bombay and just looking at stuff. I have found some of the best props and tables and such for my show simply by looking around at stores and keeping my mind wide open to the possibilities.
Kyle
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thurstonlives Regular user 106 Posts |
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On 2008-08-28 11:35, kregg wrote: Of course, of course, when a talk about table I mean "table" I put examples in wich none of the performers use a table but a "table". I still havent seen a table with a perch and a cage. Maybe IKEA? The main question here is the discussion, and in only 10 posts we have several asserts. 1- Not to be noticeable as an special apparatus. 2- Look for the needs of your magic instead of using the apparatus possibilities. Do we have 3 at the moment? I don't feel right with the second statement as the creation process comes always by two ways, one is create what you need, the other is play with what you have and look at the results. This last is very commond in card magic. How many games with the double lift? D |
Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Hi,
I know that this would not really have to do anything with this thread, but I always wanted to know who builds the tables that the Close Up Magician use in the L&L Publishing tapes. Thanks for your help. Oliver. |
bojanbarisic Elite user Croatia 462 Posts |
They are built by Jim Zee I guess. Price used to be 460 USD for stand up table and 590 USD for sit down table.
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Thanks Bojan,
Do they have a website ? Thank you. Oliver. |
bojanbarisic Elite user Croatia 462 Posts |
You can buy it thru L&L publishing. Table Books were published by Magic Inc. I think that both books are about 15 USD. Very often you can find it on sale at ebay for 4-5 USD.
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
One of my favorite places to look for tables for a manipulation act is the plant section of department stores, hardware stores etc. These are tables meant to hold a potted plant or vase. The surface area is just about perfect for a top hat or other receptacle, and the height is generally acceptable. The same plant section of the store may have some interesting containers that are made for plants but often look fine as receptacles for cards or billiard balls. The tables may be made of wood or metal. At one time I had an aluminum plant stand with three tiers. I used one surface for the receptacle, one for the linking rings, and one for the silks for 20th century. I also use a Nielsen cane-to-table. (Keep in mind also that the cane-to-table doesn't _have_ to be used with a top hat.)
----- Anatole
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