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The purpose of this is not to point any fingers or to discuss anything having to do with cup shapes that were developed after 2000. Instead, it is to clear up some misconceptions about cup designs that were prevalent during the 20th century.
In the Ever So Sleightly section a poster stated: Quote:
It is my understasnding that Paul Fox was the first to design a rounded over cup with three beads. This eventually was fine tuned into the cup we term the Paul Fox Cup. Apparently Harry Stanley heard about this three bead cup and had his spinner design and make what has become the Stanley Cup. This design came about from word of mouth only and the three beads of the Paul Fox Cup were not seen by the Stanley people. They apparently assumed that the beads were evenly spaced. The shape of the rest of the cup differed too. It seems that Stanley wanted to cash in on the Paul Fox Cup craze without ever having seen the cups and tried to get a three bead cup to market as soon as possible. This cup apparently was later copied by CNC processes. From what I have read Paul Fox and Danny Dew were not too impressed with the cup that Stanley developed. Nevertheless, the three equally spaced beads are here to stay as a potential cup design element. There wasn't much "fine tuning" involved in the Paul Fox design. Paul Fox's original cups were very close in design to the cups that became known as the Paul Fox/Danny Dew Type 2 cup. There are people who own both style of cup who only recently became aware that there were more than one pattern to the PF/DD cup. The double shoulder bead of the Paul Fox cup goes back to France, but was not very popular. Some cups from Bland's had a hint of this design, but not with the rounded top. Although rounded cups can be found in India, they did not have the combination of the rounded top and the double shoulder bead + mouth bead that a few people refer to as a "three bead cup." Most refer to this as a double shoulder bead cup, but that's basically a quibble. Some think Paul got his idea from a Thermos bottle top. Maybe, maybe not. However. the Harry Stanley cup got its start when Vernon came to England to do a lecture tour, and there were no rounded top cups with three beads available for sale anywhere in England. Bill Powell (Burtini) was Harry Stanley's spinner and may have been the one who designed the cups the way he did. Few of the Stanley cups had evenly spaced triple beads. I have three sets. Two of them have beads that are spaced so that the middle bead is closed to the shoulder bead than it is to the mouth bead. One set has the evenly spaced beads. The evenly spaced ones may have been early issue. Since the beads are applied after the spinning process, these can actually be just about anywhere. I have seen one set of the Harry Stanley cups that had different bead spacings on the cups. This is actually quite unusual, considering Burtini's ability with metal working. Perigee, who spun the bulk of the Danny Dew cups, used a double roller to make these beads, which kept the spacing consistent. The rounded top design gave way also to the Monti cups, which are possibly tied with the Paul Fox cups as being targets for copyists. Most of the western style cups from India are copies of Monti cups. The double shoulder bead confuses the eye and makes the cups look shorter.
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