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RangeCowboy Regular user Long Beach 198 Posts |
Whoops !
Don't get me wrong - I highly recommend buying the illusion. I tried the pen on both sides of the test cards for half an hour. My post here is to say to new buyers who read this, you can rejuvenate the Sharpie real easily by using nail varnish remover to wick the tip of the Sharpie. Mine works great now and yes they are expensive, so Daves cost of sales is not insignificant. Sorry Dave if I led anyone to believe I was putting down the illusion per se. Virtual Wizard responded in an hour to my email so I highly commend their reponse too. |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Any thoughts of selling this thru a UK dealer?
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Mr Nutkins New user 12 Posts |
Hi,
Hopefully it will NOT be distributed in the UK as I have this effect and can say it really is excellant, this way I can keep it to myself a bit longer, yours selfishly, Mr Nutkins
"Bloody otters !"
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James Fortune Special user UK 509 Posts |
This sounds to me the same effect (effect upon the audience) as PHIL except it is not so direct as you have to write something.
Warmest regards
James James Fortune MIMC www.comedymagiciansurrey.co.uk www.bestweddingmagician.co.uk |
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davekilpatrick Loyal user Syracuse, NY 295 Posts |
There are three methods to pull off the basic PHIL effect. Total Certainty differs from all three of them. Also, there are a few versions on the market 1) PHIL 2) OSCAR and 3) Name That Card (Tannen's). I am not sure if PHIL is the same as Oscar or Name that Card in method.
The Name-Card routine (like PHIL or OSCAR) is great. I've used it many times and it never fails to be well received. Of course, you can't repeat it and have to be careful at walkaround because although people name different cards, the name result is always the same. There is no question that PHIL and Total Certainty are in the same genre of "Think of a Card" type tricks. But so is Force of Thought, Mind Power Deck, Brainwave, Kolossal Killer, Ingenio, Invisible Deck, Vanished and Gone, Fifty Two Thoughts, Intuition Deck, Just Think, Incredible, Omen, Raw Shock, Blank Thought, Brain Sell and several others. However, other than Brainwave/Invisible Deck, none of these effects are the same and they play different to the audience. But no doubt, they all have the spectator think of a card or name any card rather than select one from the deck. Before I released Total Certainty, I bought as many mental card effects as I could find to make sure I wasn't reinventing the wheel. Total Certainty does not use the same method(s) of any of the "think of a card" type effects out there (it actually uses three methods simultaneously). I think it is fair to say to the original question regarding the comparison between PHIL and Total Certainty: They both are different routines, different effects, and different methods. |
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James Fortune Special user UK 509 Posts |
Dave,
Thanks for that very thorough response but, as you know, method isn't important. It's the EFFECT upon the audience that matters. Am I right that, as far as the layman perceives it, your trick goes like this: "If you just think of a trick and I name it - would that be a miracle?" If so, then the effect is the same as PHIL. So, in order to buy it, I need to know why is it BETTER than Phil's - to a lay audience, that is. Sorry to be a pain.
Warmest regards
James James Fortune MIMC www.comedymagiciansurrey.co.uk www.bestweddingmagician.co.uk |
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Doc Jakson New user Chicago 10 Posts |
Hello Dave,
Just curious as to whether you are familiar with Bob Farmer's "DEJA VOODOO"? Although I don't have your new effect, it sounds similar in many ways. "DOC"
Follow the Money
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braunmagic Veteran user 373 Posts |
Dave one question, The ad reads " while all the other cards are clean." The question I have is all the cards clean? or are they appear to be clean? I think there is a big difference.
Brent Braun |
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davekilpatrick Loyal user Syracuse, NY 295 Posts |
James,
Once again, would you consider all of the other "think of a card effects" in my previous post as the same "effect" as PHIL? If you do, then Total Certainty is the same effect as PHIL (and the Aga levitation is the the same as the four current Yogano levitations which is the same as the Super-X). However, the routine is quite different, and, I believe the effect is also. I have done my version of OSCAR back to back with Total Certainty, and they play quite differently. Here's the Total Certainty effect, and you decide if it is the same as PHIL: You have someone think of a card. They never name it (as is the case with Brainwave). You pull out a Sharpie marker and write a message on one card. You make a few cuts to bury this card in the deck. You then fan the deck face up and have the spectator remove his card. Before he flips it over, you show all the other cards clean. At that point the spectator turns over the card to reveal the message your wrote (which is different each time). Then you proceed to repeat the trick with a different outcome, even repeating it a third or fourth time. Now if this is the same as PHIL to you, then I would not recommend Total Certainty. Believe me, not everyone is interested in accumulating several tricks of the same type. If this is too close to PHIL, then you may not be happy paying $25 for what you feel is essentially the same effect. To me, yellow flowers are yellow flowers, but to a field botanist, there a zillion different varieties of yellow flowers. So to you, PHIL and Total Certainty may both be yellow flowers, and I have no problem with that. I can vanish a coin proficiently with sleight of hand. When I got "Raven" I was disappointed. Yes, it could create an effect different from my sleight of hand, but when the audience walks away, will they know the difference? For Brent's question above, I can't comment beyond the ad which indicates that the deck does most of the work for you. I could easily tell you something that is accurate but misleading or I could give away the trick, which I'm not willing to do. For Doc's question above. I have seen the Deja Voodoo effect in Hank Lee's catalog. It is sort of like a book test but not quite. There is a big discussion about it on another thread of this site. I do not own that trick, nor do I know how it works. As I said above, I tried to buy up anything in the "think of a card genre" I could get to be sure I wasn't marketing something that belongs to someone else. But there is no way I could acquire every trick deck and mentalism trick on the market because they number into the hundreds. Deja Voodoo seemed like a mentalism dictionary test that also uses a deck of cards (many book tests use cards), so I never thought to buy it as part of my initial "research." So, I cannot tell you if it is similar to Total Certainty. For one thing, it is a different effect, judging from the catalog. Individuals who own Total Certainty have posted on the Deja Voodoo thread, and this hasn't come up. I just don't know. For $10, I think I'll order Deja Voodoo and I'll personal message you when I get it (even though it is only $10, I haven't ordered because the catalog description scared me away when it said it takes an evening to prepare the materials). Dave |
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Mr Nutkins New user 12 Posts |
My Word ! Some people want the moon on a stick! They also want to know the ins and outs of an otter's arse. Just buy it !!!!
It's only $ 20. OK so it can't be handed out for inspection, but nor can an Invisble/brainwave, Phil, Fred, whatever deck. You can also make your own deck up.It really is a killer, and is instantly repeatable to the same audiance. All I can say is the otters loved it! Tel
"Bloody otters !"
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braunmagic Veteran user 373 Posts |
First I must point out that I am in no way trying to say that "Total Certainty" isnt a great effect. I am merely pointing out that in the ad it says "The rest of the deck is as clean as a whistle" Is this misleading? Well it was to a student of mine who order the effect after seeing the ad and was totally bummed. I guess we must define "clean as a whistle"
If I do a coins across routine using an extra coin and then palm it do I end "clean as a whistle" I would think not, There are lots of trick in magic that appear to end clean that really don't. Again I'm not trying to pick on anyone I just think this line is misleading and hurts magicians. I personaly like the effect just wish the ad wasn't so misleading. Just an opinion. Brent Braun |
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davekilpatrick Loyal user Syracuse, NY 295 Posts |
Brent,
Now I understand! Yes, by your interpretation of the term "clean" the ad could be viewed as misleading, although it was never intended to be. We magicians often use "clean" to mean at the end of a trick you are not left holding anything and everything can be examined (following your coins across illustration). However, in the context of the ad where the word "clean" occurs, it is clearly referring to "clean" in the sense of NO WRITING seen on any of the other cards. In this sense of the word "clean," this is exactly what the spectator sees. So in the context of of the ad, "clean" means "unmarked" However, also in the context of the ad, is is pretty much indicated that it is a trick deck (and nowhere suggests the deck can be examined), so there is no implication that the word "clean" applies that way. From the spectator's standpoint, the ad is 100% accurate. The Genii ads until September have been submitted already. After that any future ads will be changed from "all the cards are clean as a whistle" to "all the cards are freely shown, with no markings whatsoever." I am sorry this caused misunderstanding. My goal is to be as honest as possible. Although I went over the wording of that ad a million times, I did not anticipate that particular misinterpretation, because it is not called for in the context it is used in. I have received tons of feedback and no one is challenging the accuracy of the ad. I feel very badly if something was misunderstood. But in future ads, that "loophole" interpretation will be closed. I hate buying tricks with misleading ads, and would never intentionally mislead anyone (unless, of course, I'm performing a trick!). If your friend is really "bummed" as you say, have him send it to me for a refund (my address is at the end of the directions). |
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braunmagic Veteran user 373 Posts |
Dave,
I understand where you are coming from. It is very hard to write descriptions of effects and not mislead or give away the secret. I am sorry that my student misunderstood the ad, but by changing the wording the problem will be solved. That should give people nothing to complain about. This is a great effect and anyone interested in this plot should check it out. You have solved alot of the problems with all previously mentioned methods. About my student returning it, I was nice enough to take it off his hands for exactly what he paid for it because I saw the potential in the effect. Thanks for you response and for clearing things up. Can't wait to see more great effects from you in the future. Brent Braun |
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Gary Veteran user Market Harborough, UK 367 Posts |
Nice and well thought through effect. The magic here is all in the strength of the performance. The detailed support instructions are excellent and other inventors could take note.
"I can see clearly now, the brain has gone"
- Anon |
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BillParky Regular user Atherton,Manchester,U.K. 123 Posts |
Dave,
Although I'm a subscriber to Genii I'd missed your ad. and had never heard of 'Total Certainty' before reading this thread. However, the complimentary comments and your excellent handling of the (mild) criticism has persuaded me that this particular gimmicked deck would not be out of place alongside my many other gimmicked decks such as Phil, Invisible, Just Think, Deja Vu, Diamond, Mirage, Blizzard etc. etc. How sad! You'll be getting an order from me soon. Bill |
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
I purchased this effect, and have to say it is quite ingenious! and at the end, all the cards do inded appear clean to the spectator. I like this one. Takes some work, though, to get it prepared initialy. But all in all, a good effect.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
I cannot locate the link for this, how much work is required in constructing the gimmick?
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Glogal Regular user Hollywood, California 155 Posts |
Dave,
Could you please give us a link to your site? I would like to purchase your effect. Thank you, Gigi |
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Steve Hook Inner circle Raleigh, NC, USA 1266 Posts |
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Glogal Regular user Hollywood, California 155 Posts |
Thank you Steve!
Gigi |
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