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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts 
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On 2009-02-18 02:23, Enzo wrote: .Ditto. |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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I ran into this thread quite by accident, as I generally don't visit the worker's forum anymore, even though my interest is in cards. But the search engine brought me here, and the result was a clear reminder why I don't visit this forum.
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3226 Posts
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I have noticed that when ribbon spreading the deck (most often in a horseshoe pattern) Darwin Ortiz exerts pressure on the pack as one would do if springing the cards from hand to hand. I haven't found it in any of Darwin Ortiz's works, and I believe I own all of them. That doesn't mean it's not in one of them. While I have read them all many times, I might have forgotten something. I don't think he published that though. (And, if it's in there, I'd have to re-read all his books again to find it, which I will eventually do anyway, because they're all great books). I also haven't yet gotten the knack of whatever he's doing. I had noticed his technique for this, and tried long before this topic was created. I can make a pretty good spread though, but it's not as good as his. His looks almost perfect. I also haven't been able to find where this is published, if anywhere. Robert Giobbi wrote in Card College 1 that the ribbon spread flourish is first described in Les Secrets de la Prestidigitation et de la Magic, or the Secrets of Conjuring and Magic by Jean Eugene Robert-Houdin. I went to that source, and what's there is less descriptive than what's in Card College 1, but it's essentially the same technique. It's also the essentially the same as the technique described in The Royal Road To Card Magic. I didn't find a description of this flourish at all in The Expert At The Card Table, in The Card Magic of Le Paul, or in Expert Card Technique, although there is mention of cards being spread on a table in all three of those books. I'm also curious about the origin of this. Darwin Ortiz does post here. You might want to contact him.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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When Darwin does it, it's pretty. But for most, certainly for me, correct pressure of the right forefinger as you ribbon spread creates just as pretty a spread. No? HL.
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3226 Posts
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I do the ribbon spread that way too Harry.
I found this in Miracle Shuffles and Tricks by Hugard And Braue: Quote:
Since it is advisable to make a neat, fast ribbon-spread, the following new method of making such a spread is recommended: Grasp the pack at the ends between the right thumb and second and third fingers. Bend the ends upwards, thus making the top concave. Place the deck so held upon the table and press down upon its top with the right first finger, the center of the convex bottom alone touching the table. Move the pack from left to right swiftly and the cards will spring from the grasp of the right fingers with a riffling sound and form a perfect and symmetrical ribbon. This spread may be ten inches, or three feet long, depending upon the pressure placed upon the deck with the right forefinger. That still isn't what Darwin Ortiz does, he uses a convex bend, not a concave one. I'll keep looking.
Humans make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to create boredom. Quite astonishing.
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts
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I think most of us spread like Mr. Lorayne says, though I would like to know, and learn the Ortiz style.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts
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The reason Darwin uses that handling is because with mastery it allows precise control and even distribution of the cards. That's why Darwin can do the perfect closed circle spread, a flourish he appears to have invented.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
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Chris Stolz Inner circle Mississauga, Ontario 1958 Posts
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On 2009-02-13 06:58, The Mysterious Kid wrote: Martin does do a true center (in a couple different ways). That's where I learned how to do it.
Chris Stolz
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plungerman Loyal user 287 Posts
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By way of too much criticism, I would like to give great congrats/props to ASW above for bringing up Johnson's wonderful point. It's true that as we study the moves we can get mighty picky about technique that's way beyond our own. It's instructive to notice how divisive those opinions can become once we start sharing. Is it sharing or blaring? It not only depends on the mood of the critic but on the mood of the reader of the critic. Soon you are five layers deep and still swinging.
I was about to repeat the old saw that you can tell a bad egg without being able to lay one. But, having layed my share of eggs I can say Mr. O's technique leaves little to be desired. I think he may spread the cards that way as part of breaking them in. As he uses a new deck each show he can use all the finger exersize and card abuse he can come up with. P |
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