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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
I need to make a custom tee-shirt, basic blue shirt with white stars. I tried iron on sheets, that was a disaster - maybe if I had a tee-shirt press but the hand iron is not going to cut it.
I don't like the prices of the silk screen "starter kits", however some of the DIY tutorials look pretty simple. My plan: Embroidery hoop, sheer curtain, mod-podge, and white tee-shirt paint sold at wal-mart Sooo ... I'm throwing this out here in case anyone with experience with this has suggestions tips or ideas for me. I only need a half dozen or so for myself, although the notion of putting my logo on them and selling them is bouncing around my head. Thanks, -JoeJoe
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
At one of my daughter's gymnastics meets, there was someone who was making "semi-custom" meet shirts with a t-shirt press and silkscreened, iron-on designs. Following the meet, my wife and I talked with him about a price for making some three-color custom shirts for her business in smaller quantities, and the quote we received was surprisingly affordable - MUCH less expensive than having the shirts custom-screened.
Look for a business like this. You may be surprised.
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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Paul Prater Elite user North Little Rock, AR 483 Posts |
JoeJoe-
I worked in a professional screen printing shop for a while and I have done a lot of screen printing on my own, including T-shirts and on paper. I respect your creativity but I don't think this will work. I have never tried what you are suggesting, but I don't think that this would work for several reasons. A sheer shower probably won't have the right texture/weave for leaving clean impressions. The silk cloth in silk screens is very fine, which allows a sharp clean print. I cannot imagine a shower curtain leaving a clean impression. Furthermore, how do you intend to apply the ink? You cannot just pour it in the frame and get results. Screen printing is done by forcing a thick ink through the screen with a squeegee. While I can't say that what you are wanting to do wouldn't work (since I have never tried it), I think you would be better off just getting a kit. Here is the one I started with when I was a teenager: http://www.dickblick.com/products/speedb......ng-kits/ This kit is pretty cheap. You can probably find it at a local art store as well. Here is one that is specific for fabric and is even cheaper: http://www.dickblick.com/products/speedb......ool-kit/ I can't imagine that it would be much cheaper trying to buy stuff at Wal Mart and doing a makeshift attempt that would likely cost you more in time, frustration and messed up t-shirts. If you are wanting to do a half dozen or more for selling it would be so much better to just get a kit. In the alternative you could also go to a local print shop and see if they would be willing to sell you a small used frame from them. But, you would still need the squeegee, the ink, etc... Let me know if I can do anything else to help. |
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Matthew W Inner circle New York 2456 Posts |
Heck, you don't even need a screen. I made a shirt by printing the design on a thick sheet of paper cutting it out with an exacto knife and using it as a stencil with a foam brush to dab on the ink.
It worked pretty well. You may want to look into Cafépress.com, they have machines that print directly onto the shirt, so there is a wide range of colors possible.
-Matt
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
Matt,
You are talking about stenciling versus screening. It is an entirely different process. Both has applications. Dabbing with a foam brush would quite a bit of ink on the fabric which could make it stiff or prone to flaking. You would be better off to use an airbrush with the stencil. When I was in college, I work with a vacuum silk screen frame. You could put a variety of colors on the screen and then suck it down into the fabric. I screen printed on Sponge Rubber also making jumbo bicycle cards. I would personally go to a printer and have him do the shirts. It would be cheaper in the long run and much, much less frustration. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Thomas Wayne Inner circle Alaska 1977 Posts |
JoeJoe,
Try one of these: PALMETTO SCREEN PRINTING 843-293-7550 3116 Shetland Ln Unit 38 Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 ATOMIC GRAPHICS & SCREEN PRINT 843-903-4522 4010 Wesley St Myrtle Beach, SC 29579 WILD CHILD CUSTOM SCREEN PRINT 843-215-9453 1508 Highway 17 N Myrtle Beach, SC 29575 843Custom Airbrush 960 Lake Arrowhead Rd., Myrtle Beach, SC 29572 (843) 444-1076 TW
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
Paulyp: I've found several DIY tutorials online where people use sheer curtains. I may hit a craft store and see if they sell a kit for this, I do believe you are right that a kit would be better. I don't order off the net no more, I have had to tighten up security around here.
http://www.threadbanger.com/post/490/diy......g-how-to But honestly, it doesn't matter to me if it is stenciled on or spray painted or silk screened - whatever works! My new trick requires that I wear a tee-shirt, thus I need something that looks like magic. I figure I need a minimum of 6 of these for the summer. -JoeJoe
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Paul Prater Elite user North Little Rock, AR 483 Posts |
JoeJoe-
If that is the case, then Richard may have hit on the right idea. Why not just take it to a airbrush artist and have him airbrush a few shirts for you? If the design is simple, the cost shouldn't be too much. This would be simple, quick and cheap. An airbrush artist can make this look good. They can do a lot more than just hokey beach scenes or big heart "I love blah.." shirts. Also, just in case you want to order from the sites I listed, Dick Blick has catalogs and a toll free number, they are not just a net based business. I routinely order from them. Let me know if I can help in any way. |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
I hope you're building some magic gimmicks into your T-Shirts. If not, check out Eleazar's "T-Shirt Magic" from The Wizards' Journal #7 for some ideas. These may have some impact on the designs and colors you use on the T-shirt, so it's good to think about BEFORE you finalize your design.
Professor Spellbinder
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
It started when I purchased a blue trashcan last year, and stuck some big white stars over the entire thing ... it looks "magical". I use it to hold pre-inflated balloons. I want everything to match my balloon bin this year - my shirt, my box, everything. I don't think an airbrush artist is what I want, perhaps if he used a stencil but I could do that myself. Nothing fancy, solid white stars.
Spellbinder: yes, the tee-shirt is a part of my new trick, it could be done with another shirt but it is easier with a tee-shirt and more magical than say a button up. I'm not really looking to do any other tricks with it. I'm not sure what I want to do yet, but I plan to make a trip to the craft store tonight or tomorrow ... there are none close by, its a 45 minute drive. I think a stamp would be the easiest, but they don't tend to be completely solid. -JoeJoe
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marty.sasaki Inner circle 1117 Posts |
I would suggest going to a local screen printer. Business is slow right now all over. Explain what you want to do, be sure to explain your situation. For right now you will only want a few, perhaps more in the future.
I don't remember the exact price, and it's changed anyway, this was a while ago, but I had a few T-shirts made up and it was very affordable. Depending on what you want, maybe something from Café Press will work?
Marty Sasaki
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA Standard disclaimer: I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys occasionally mystifying friends and family, so my opinions should be viewed with this in mind. |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
Yea, but most silk screeners only put a square logo in the center of the shirt ... I need stars over the entire shirt, front and back - even the sleeves. I can't imagine them wanting to do this at an affordable price.
I can do a much better job myself - that much I know for certain. If I do it myself, it will match everything else I've done myself. Perhaps maybe after I have done one and I can say "this is exactly what I want" I can get them mass produced, but for now I really want to do this myself. I have a long DIY history, not about to abandon that now. I make my own sets, sew my own costumes, create and build my own magic, did my own website, etc etc etc. This shouldn't be an exception. The only way to do something right is to do it yourself. -JoeJoe
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
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On 2009-03-11 23:34, JoeJoe wrote: In other words, you're a magician... congratulations and keep up the good work! Too many so-called magicians have forgotten their roots and depend on others to do their work for them, all in the name of "looking professional" whatever that means.
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
Spellbinder: I'm glad somebody else "gets it" - you made my day!
Ok sooo ... craft store, the closest one is 45 minutes away and they had no silk screening stuff. Next one was 15 minutes further down the road, they had some fancy dancy kit for $300 but I was real leary since I never heard of a "silk screening printer" before with lights and buttons all over it. They had a Speedball kit, $80 (same one on ebay for $35-40) ... but ... it didn't have any white ink, so even if I had bought this it would have done me no good for my project. I go with some fabric paint ... make a stencil ... paint coverage seems thin, can see the "blue" under the white. Maybe a second coat will help that? Otherwise, I'm not sure whats next ... back to the iron on maybe, nice bright white stars if only I can get them to stick. I'm using 100% cotton, might try 50/50. -JoeJoe
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marty.sasaki Inner circle 1117 Posts |
I've had good luck with iron ons onto both 100% cotton and 50/50 cotton/poly. For the white on dark fabric, try out a few different iron-ons. I don't remember which ones worked better, but it made a difference with brand.
I enjoy doing things myself, but I believe that for certain things that it makes more sense to just pay the money to get things done. Certainly doing everything yourself will often cost you more money. Of course if doing things yourself makes you happy then go to it. I just made up a couple of sets of monkey fist balls. In the end I will have spent more on materials than I would have spent on a set of balls from "The Ambitious Card". Was it worth it? It certainly was. I got exactly what I wanted and got to play with different colors and sizes to compare handling and visibility. I'll probably make up a set of larger balls for my chop cup, mainly for visibility.
Marty Sasaki
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
I hit the craft section at Wal-Mart today, found some kind of no-sew fabric stuff called "Heat n Bond". Iron it onto fabric, cut out your shape, then iron it onto the shirt. A breeze to work with. Really like the results, you can see me here sporting the new shirt with Zoey the Wonderbird and my new guitar in the background. I think it needs some smaller stars to fill up the empty space a little better:
I was afraid fabric would fray, so I went with felt. I'm wondering how long felt will last in a washing machine? Thinking air dry would be best? Thoughts anyone? -JoeJoe
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
BTW: the guitar is blue, I should have fired up the studio lights so it wasn't so dark. Sorry bout that.
-JoeJoe
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Picard_1114 New user New York 76 Posts |
If your shirt is made of jersey and the stars are made of another fabric they are likely to start pulling off the shirt. Jersey has a lot of give.
Have you considered white 100% cotton tee shirts that are dyed using a batik process? The stars would be applied via a wax resist method (where the wax is applied, the dye cannot penetrate), and then the shirts would be dyed to the proper color using a cold water dye. Ironing with a brown paper bag between the shirt and iron will remove the wax. Google "batik." |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
That doesn't sound encouraging. So, cutting the stars out of a white jersey of the same material would be better?
It's my plan to make several of these using different methods so I can find which works best ... I've got some "Quick Fuse Iron On Fabric Sheets" to make another one with tonight. I need a dozen, so lots of room for experimentation. Batik sounds messy ... I don't like dyes. How could I get wax stars on it, cut out wax paper and somehow iron them onto the shirt maybe? -JoeJoe
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Picard_1114 New user New York 76 Posts |
No. Paint them on individually with a brush and melted wax. One of the interesting effects with batik is that the wax cracks and you would get hairlines of the dye running through the stars. These hairlines may not be desirable for your purposes.
http://www.pburch.net/dyeing/howtobatik.shtml See the section on Elmer's Washable Blue Glue Gel as a resist. Have you considered the iron on transfers for dark tee shirts. These are somewhat "rubberized" and may have sufficient give. Just cut out the stars and iron on as you are doing with the felt. http://www.amazon.com/Avery-T-Shirt-Tran......9&sr=1-1 |
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