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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts 
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I had a similar problem once and worked out what I considder a perfect script. Although Roger "can't stand it" I found it a challange to make this a steady worker and did, exactly that.
The context of the effect needed to be changed and guys like Eugene Burger and Just Alan and several other people including myself use the idea of this being about the imagination of the helper not about how clever or crafty the performer is. This effect for me has been one of the most consistant "No way!" reaction getters in my working repertoire as a result. Loyaleagal if you would like my take on this effect PM me. An interesting journey is always more memorable than a clever trick.
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts
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On 2009-05-31 23:37, Samuel Catoe wrote: Sam, very close to what I use, with some minor touches, lines and convincers that I have found work very well for me. I say "...Imagine that I have removed two cards, either the blacks queens or the red queens. In your imagination which did you picture me removing black or red?" and I hold up my thumb and forefinger pinched together as if holding the cards.
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Alan Munro.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts
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Equivoque works fine for me. It's simply a technique that magicians think they can just wing, and it doesn't work that way. You have to know what you're doing. I used to hate equivoque, until I came across the right teacher - David Eldridge. Sure, I disagreed with one of the gambits used, but the others worked just fine. For B'Wave, his technique has always worked for me.
I suppose that if one is unwilling to work on the right technique, a switch wallet could be used with two different sets of cards. |
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Koolmagic114 Veteran user 319 Posts
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Totally agree with Kjellstrom. As I have used pretty much the same method and have always started with 2 sets. Red & a black. So this has always eliminated any problems with spectator right away. All though I never did have any problems just using one set. But in my mind using 2 was just that much more safer for me. Love the himber wallet idea though.
Eddy
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts
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I realize that Loyaleagle started his thread a couple of years ago but I wanted to contribute a few random thoughts.
1. I never EVER script anything. I have a general idea what I am going to say but a tight script can turn on you faster than a Black Mamba. Steven Youell has some great discussion on the perils of tight scripting in his new Classic Force treatise that I believe applies to all of magic. 2. No effect is "sure fire." I may - pardon the pun - draw heat from this comment but I believe it is true. Murphy's Law applies so well to the performing arts and to magic in particular - and remember: Murphy was an optimist! 
3. Linguists and those who practice NLP will tell you that language itself is quite deceptive. I realize that Roger hates equivoque so Roger, have a pint and ignore this point please?  Salespeople are taught to ask questions of their clients such that the answer leads to a positive outcome. They never ask a closing question or a question that leaves no "out" unless they are sure that the deal is closed. (I believe that politicians are MASTERS of equivoque BTW).
Those three points and 5 Euros will get you a bag of ollebollen in The Netherlands for New Year, but maybe there is sense in there somewhere. Ahimsa, Vlad |
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts
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Very interesting thread indeed. So does it mean Twisted Sisters is better than B'Wave?
Anyway, I love the approach from Samuel and mdspark, but I agree with Vlad, we can have the basic outline of the patter but don't get too attached with our own script. I think at the end of the day, we have to be flexible with our own patter and it changes depends on the type of audience as well. And I have to vouch about not getting involved with stodgy spectator I usually 'read' the mood of my students. If I sense they're gonna be a really hard audience, then I don't show or do any trick for them.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts
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On 2011-12-30 12:31, Failed Magician wrote: Hendra my friend, I wouldn't say that Twisted Sisters is better than B'Wave or vice versa - a debate that has raged in the community for quite a while now. I am not a mentalist but I would hazard that the mentalist would prefer B'Wave because there isn't that magical "out' that Twisted Sisters has. A mentalist is not going to do an effect that is a transposition as it smacks of magic. But that is just my relatively uninformed opinion as a magician. Perhaps mentalists would disagree. As far as patter, I would again reiterate what Steven Youell argues in The Classic Force. A tight script that is interrupted by an uncooperative spectator could be disastrous to your timing and presentation. I believe - and again just opinion here - that this applies more to magicians in the close up arena more than to illusionists and mentalists for example. While actors DO work from a very tight script, we are also taught to improvise as Cameron Francis will attest. The rule in live theater is that if the other actor misses her/his line, YOU need to improvise such that the flow of the play continues and gets the performance back on track without the audience realizing that a miscue occurred. Happy New Year, Vlad |
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts
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Hi Vlad,
Thanks for the reply. I do improvise every single time I do an effect with the audience. Even we have an outlines of reactions or responses they might give you, sometimes it could be the one that you've never expected before. So I do have the major outline of the patter, but the small bits, the jokes (if it is appropriate), and other lines are always improvised. Then again, different cultures have proved different reactions and responses. I am lucky enough that I've got the experience in doing some effects to totally different types of audiences.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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bsears Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 1040 Posts
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It seems to me that equivoque has become more common knowledge among laypeople in recent years. I think this is due to the internet/over exposure and the fact that even some beginners tricks and sets now include effects that utilize it. Anyone else finding this to be true?
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David Eichler Grammar Host Durham, ME 1780 Posts
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Back in May of 2004 when Dan Harlan was the guest of the month, he treated us to an artful demonstration of equivoque. It floored those of who were were watching and/or participating in that thread. Have a look.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0 |
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Denis Bastible Loyal user Buffalo, New York 293 Posts
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I have a coworker who just does not like magic unless he is able to sniff out the method or deconstruct the trick. I had done B'Wave many, many times with great reactions and for some reason, knowing how this guy was, I did it for him. He was floored at first until he asked to look at Queen. I was then floored. That was the one and only time that happened and I never had trouble with anyone with the initial elimination phase of the black Queens. I only do "ends clean" magic for this guy now.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3504 Posts
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Bsera wrote:
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It seems to me that equivoque has become more common knowledge among laypeople in recent years. ... Anyone else finding this to be true? Actually I've always thought equivoque was well known among lay people because it is one of the most common tricks people show me is the one where you make a bunch of small pile and ask the specs to touch a few then you eliminate or keep the ones they touch. (They will do this say, ten times in a row with no concern that any will notice). Some one who knows that trick will suspect you are doing the same thing even when you use it only once in a subtle manor. |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts
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On 2012-01-14 13:33, bsears wrote: Not really. It requires acting skill to make it seem as if the procedure was already set in your mind. I continue to floor people with straight equivoque. Quote:
On 2011-12-30 07:36, Vlad_77 wrote: I think that some phrases will need to be tightly scripted, in order to be effective, but the overall presentation needs to be loose. |
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