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RVH Magic Special user 877 Posts |
The illusion explained in walter Gibsons book (magic explained, page 179,180 -the glass sheet mystery) is different from the version Copperfield is using...
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
Lol... now you'll only fuel the guessing contest more!
Ray Pierce
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Laszlo Csizmadi Special user From Hell 868 Posts |
Rafael in the Gibson book the person disappear. The One is a same method just appear (backward). Anyone who read it could understand.
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RVH Magic Special user 877 Posts |
Las,
For the method in the Gibson book you need 4 people wearing robes (loose clothing like monk, oriental,... costumes) and it's really hard to make a person appear using this method... Best, Rafael |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Let's ask Copperfield!
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Banester Special user 669 Posts |
Pakar get him on the phone already so we can end this discussion!
The art of a magician is to create wonder.
If we live with a sense of wonder, our lives become filled with joy -Doug Henning- |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Got his number?
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
Taylor reed has right, I saw it live 8 times and it was badand completly different from that tv version,
about the fying of venus( houdini) and also on a Gibson's book nothing to compare whit that illusion! here I found a clip whit this thee version ( tv , live and Houdini ) you can compare and stop use the fantasy, the real story is this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKyx8Drn-nc another great question: all the times I listen this : Dc have many version on his illusions, but why , live he use all the times the same? this tv version of ONe ( if the tv version is real ,but...) It's a miracle , whit no many problems and possible to perform surrounded, it's like a FERRARI it can became a new million dollar mistery but surrounded , but why he was using live all the times that bad car (Daewoo Matiz) if he can use a FERRARI ? the same is for the flying illusion or the death saw or .....? why all the times the same version if he have many versions ( he say 3 or 4)? you really belive in this? personally no. but is just an opinion. thanks. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
Fabrice, I'm sure you've studied it MANY times trying to figure out the method. Let's also not confuse the method and the staging.
It's not the method on the film with the vanish on the glass plate. I think the reality is just that magicians are fooled by this and are guessing and assuming that it has to be a different method. I honestly couldn't understand most of the rest of your post, I'm sorry. I do agree with Craig, we should just let it go. If it has fooled you, that's ok. It's not a method that is practical for 99% of magicians anyway. It's a good effect and presented well, that's what matters. As to the multiple versions of effects: You have your ideal version of the effect that you can do if all of the conditions are optimal. Sadly, in many theaters you don't have "perfect" conditions so you either have to cut the effect or use a method that isn't quite as good but is more practical. That's just the reality of touring. You can either play half as many dates by just hitting the venues that have everything you want, or you can have "work around's" for the venues that aren't as perfect for your needs and play twice as many dates as the result.
Ray Pierce
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
Sorry Ray ,
I know mine is a bad english ( and I was also a little bit drunked whit a great rhon), any way I hope you understand, about what you say on the perfect conditions is not correct : 1: Me ( and also many people like me ) have seen it live a lot of times in many differents places ( from USA to Europe and Asia) and I can say you : are the same illusions whit the same technique all the time ( personally I tink that story about 2 or 3 Illusion builded whit different technique of course is possible but is just a promotion) 2: Evrybody in our world know Mr. Dc work (rent) whit his personal service, that mean he can recreate the perfect condition evrywhere ( from a classic arena or a stadium or a sport palace....) so the theory about evry place is different is not correct, also don't forget all past magicians , an example: you tink Mr kellar was able and lucky to find all the places good and whit the perfect conditions all the times when he was performing his Karnac Levi? no ,for shure, but the system for the levi was the same all the times .... the cones theory ( a la Jarret ) is really hard ( possible whit differts conditions, but hard), also The Houdiny Flying of venus ( also on Gibson 's book and If I remember WELL I FINF ALSO SOMETHIGS SIMILAR From LA fAYETTE)THE systems is nothing to compare whit this AMAZING illusion! thanks. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2009-06-11 08:11, Fabrice Milella wrote: I'm sure your English is better than any attempts I might have at your native language so we'll do the best we can. Quote:
about what you say on the perfect conditions is not correct : The important thing is that you haven't seen him in EVERY location. Most locations we do the exact same show, but there are those rare spots where we have to make do with a secondary method, I believe David is the same. David was doing about 300 dates a year for many years. Just because you've seen him 10 or even 50 times over the years, doesn't mean you have a fair sample to say that he never does it any differently. You can only say that he's done it the same way the times you've seen him. That clearly doesn't mean that he doesn't have alternate methodology. Quote:
2: Evrybody in our world know Mr. Dc work (rent) whit his personal service, Yes, for filming his television specials, but not when he is on tour doing his regular shows. You don't go into a theater for a one nighter and spend $500,000 renovating the theater just so you can do certain effects. I'm not sure that makes a lot of sense for working pros. Maybe it's easier to have alternate methodology or just cut the effects. In other words you're saying my "theory" isn't correct based on the fact that you believe David modifies every venue he performs in to bring them up to the standards he needs to do every effect? I just don't believe that's true based on years of understanding not just his show but touring in general. I've played many of the same theaters he has and I know the restrictions in those theaters. I also know from those who have seen shows in those venues that his show order has changed, most likely to reflect those restrictions. That seems to be the most logical reason. Although I don't think logic enters into many of these discussions online. For example: ONE has some rigging challenges, but nothing that couldn't be handled in most venues. There might be a situation where it wasn't possible using the method on television, but the videos I've seen all were with the same method. Does that mean that he's never used alternate methodology? Of course not. I'm sure it is possible that he developed a secondary method, but he wasn't using it on the videos I saw online. Quote:
also don't forget all past magicians , an example: Yes, it was the same all the times he did it, but he probably didn't do it in EVERY venue. From someone who has toured for many years, I can tell you that we can not go into venues now and say that we're going to cut a 6" x 4' Slot in their stage. Years ago magicians would go in an start cutting traps, opening all over the stage. That just isn't done anymore. It's hard enough to even drill a whole in the stage for a peg to lock props in place. Some stages are sealed for air castors to be used on them and you can't even put gaffer's tape on the floor as it will rip the air castor open. You learn to work with the restrictions of each venue if you want to work there. Some you choose not to work, others you make the concessions. I do agree with you that ONE is a great illusion and very deceptive for most people.
Ray Pierce
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
Yes ,
anyway it's a great Illusion! thanks Ray! |
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
You know Ray,
here in Europe and not only here, Mr Dc work 90% of the times whit his service, and he work inside a sport palaces or stadium, when I was in Asia I remember the same him whit is personal service and also in US , so I'm not shure on what you say, P.s. when I was in Germany I meet one man from his german crew and he was conferming what I wrote you( this guy was from his service, of course he change and rent service many times in many coutry, is more cheaper ) like this he can recreate all the times a good conditions for the illusions, so I don't know what say more , at this poit I can say :" THE WORLD IS BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE WE CAN SEE EVRYTHINGS FROM MANY POINTS OF WIEW! thanks for this intersting debate. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
I totally understand what you say, but I'm not sure about what you call his "service" When I toured China I played all similar places with the same specifications and with the exact same crew and show.
When we play regular theaters in the United States it is VERY different. When you're on a specific tour, you only play theaters or venues that match your needs. For example, the Rolling Stones will only play venues that will support their staging requirements. David is the same in most other countries as am I or anyone else. On the other hand, when David is playing his regular dates around the country here, you go into different theaters every day. Each theater isn't like an arena where you bring everything in. You generally use what is there... the stage, drapes, fly system, etc. In an arena show, everything is brought in by the promoter. The stage is all custom made out of sectional platforming, the drapes are all hung as per your plot., the lighting is all hung from truss to meet your exact needs. Working with an arena tour is TOTALLY different from going into theaters. I understand that when he plays other countries he is generally just doing a set show in arenas so it is very simple to do the same show. You make the building adjust to you. In theaters, you adjust to the building. Most of his life in this country he has played theaters. A small percentage of the time he has played arenas. That is why I said what I did. MOST of the time you are at the mercy of the theater you are in. Not the other way around. So I would not say that 90% of the time was right. Maybe 90% of the places you know of, but not the full sample of his entire career. I know this will be a little hard to understand with the language but I hope it makes sense.
Ray Pierce
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