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silverfire9 Veteran user Rochester Hills, MI 323 Posts |
Okay, this is a bit more than just a pricing question. Here's the situation:
I have someone contacting me for pricing for an "open house" grad party, with up to 200 people, teens and adults, but only about 25 people present at any given time. Assuming I'm understanding him right, that is. Number one, would you take this and, if so, how would you handle it? Number two, how would you price it? Based on the total? Based on the 25 person estimate but multiplied by several shows? This isn't quite the kind of situation I envisioned when I put my ad out, lol. I was imagining a more standard deal involving a fixed-size crowd. Thanks in advance! |
mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't do muliple shows for a start. And I wouldn't do shows for only 25 people. You are mad to even consider it.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Offer short mentalism sets instead.
And its a good idea to think about how you position yourself in the market. I would spend more time and resources getting better shows. Its true you get more of what you focus on. Focus on this type of situation and you'll get more of it. |
A.G. Special user Vancouver- Canada 960 Posts |
Very well said.
I completely agree. Gerard
Well then...
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I agree with MindPunisher (and everyone else). That should surprise him.
This is not a suitable environment for a hypnosis show. But you could kill with a good short mentalism set, repeated occasionally, and some cold reading. Don't charge them for 25 people - charge for 200.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Lea Earle had a good idea in one of his programmes I bought many years ago.
He would do cold reading palms and be booked for a couple of hours. There would be a line start up. He knew that he wouldn't get through everybody in that time. So he had another contract on him. He would produce this when his time ran out since the organiser didn't want to dissapoint those still in the line. He would then get them to sign off a minimum of another few hours and make up his fee. This might be a way in if they don't want to spend a huge amount of money only to be forced to spend more later. |
mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2009-06-16 18:02, TonyB2009 wrote: Not really Tony it surprises me more that you disagree with me on most things. But we know from somewhere deep inside a part of you knows that you do agree more than you let on. And its happy to let that other part of you run riot and enjoy the fun of debate. ;-) |
TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2009-06-16 18:17, mindpunisher wrote: That's good advice. I was once asked to do close-up at a student disco. Instead I did readings. They were so happy that I got booked for a weekly slot throughout the term. Readings get a great reaction - and they can't let you go while there is a line waiting.
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silverfire9 Veteran user Rochester Hills, MI 323 Posts |
Thanks for the responses. He decided to go with a "typical DJ" and inflatable, so it's a moot point anyway. For the record, though, I did present him with a couple options, with quotes, and was waiting on further information from him on the venue and how he envisioned a hypnotist being part of it. I don't think it was necessarily unworkable; it couldn't have worked as a regular stage show, but it could have worked going at it with a different approach.
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JohnRaven New user East Coast, USA 66 Posts |
Personally, I'd take it. But I'd do demonstrations using instant inductions, instead of a full blown show.
It all depends on your skill set, your experience and your comfort level. I've done some shows in some... less than ideal... situations. I've ended up with only one subject under, but still did a show that I received lots of compliments from. I was just up in Annapolis with Sean Andrews at the docks, knocking people out using instant inductions. I don't think the crowd was more than 25 people at any time, and they were definately amused and interested, so you can definately have fun and keep people entertained, even in small groups. |
Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Lecture demo or mentalism combined.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I never understood the entertainment value in "knocking out people". Or why anyone would accept gigs that make them look bad.
>>>>>and was waiting on further information from him on the venue and how he envisioned a hypnotist being part of it. I don't think it was necessarily unworkable; it couldn't have worked as a regular stage show, but it could have worked going at it with a different approach.<<<< You are the hypnotist your client relies upon you for your professional vision of what you can do for him. What makes you think he knows enough about hypnosis to come up with a winning format? A big part of your job is to ensure you give him the right format and advice to ensure he gets the best results. If what you offer doesn't fit into his format advise him to find something else. What do you mean by "worked with a different approach?" You are a stage hypnotist who entertains are you not? You should NEVER compromise that for any client. And you shouldn't waste your time with any client who would try and make you. Professional means you do this for the right fee and conditions - NOT for compliments or attention. Those are traits of an amatuer. You need to have your vision of the kind of show you want - that will pay you decent money and offer you conditions that will allow you to do a good job. Then push all your marketing in this direction. And reject everything else or provide a different service for different formats. |
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