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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
Thanks for clearing that up. I really need to stay up to date with all this stuff.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I was talking about the Masked Magician ... How could you get so confused?
See what happens when you assume things
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts |
I think what Penn & Teller did on AGT was awful. You know that if the Judges were allowed to buzz, they would have buzzed on the offset that they were doing 'the same old trick', and they would have buzzed with the gore and blood saying how distasteful it was.
There are lots of acts which they don't show due to the nature of the act (I did the rope through neck trick, and they didn't even show that). So too allow an act like Penn & Teller to get away with what they did is just setting a really bad example for the other magicians who think that it what they want to see, but will never make it to air. It was an old trick, not much updated and very offending to the viewers. Penn & Teller proved to the world why magicians cannot succeed on Got Talent. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2009-09-03 23:53, Psychic Samurai wrote: I apologize... after reading all of your posts I thought that P&T and the MM were one and the same on the "ethics" scale and therefore functionally interchangable.
Ray Pierce
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Micheal Leath Inner circle 1048 Posts |
No matter what anyone says, I think Drew did better than 90% of all other illusionist I've ever seen.
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
My family always tell me the same thing, which is why judging anything is subjective without a frame of reference.
It's the wide range of opinions that create an appropriate sample we can use to extrapolate a balanced answer.
Ray Pierce
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2009-09-04 14:18, Ray Pierce wrote: Just kidding ... You were right .... I lump them all together anyway (It's much easier) I do agree with others, that at least Pierce, saw it as another disappearance and not a transformation. A definite change of illusion ... but they just don't really want a change of pace. I also agree with ku7uk3
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
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On 2009-09-03 16:00, magician 4life wrote: You mean "hear", no?
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2009-09-04 16:58, mandarin wrote: I dew knot no watt ewe r tock in a bout.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On 2009-09-04 05:05, ku7uk3 wrote: Quote:
It was an old trick, not much updated and very offending to the viewers. Penn & Teller proved to the world why magicians cannot succeed on Got Talent. Proved to the world? A magician did win in Sweden, but I know you know that. Not sure I follow your point that P&T has shown why a magician cannot win. I think a magician could win in the USA version too. Folks here get so worked up over AGT, and the judges, and the producers, and how they favor singers over magicians, boo hoo, boo hoo. Whatever made you think that show biz is fair? Do what I do, I enjoy the show because I don't view it as a competition I view it as an audition (which in reality is much closer to what it actually is). The producers are auditioning acts searching for the one that they feel will best suit their needs. Which means garner good ratings, keep viewers coming back, bring in new viewers, fit into their show in Vegas, etc. There's about a million reasons why they might prefer one act over another but in the end they pretty much all have to do with increasing the producers bank accounts. They are free to pick whichever act they want because that is how it works at an audition. You don't have to be fair, you can pick whomever you like, you can pick someone based entirely on their appearance if you want. So just view it as an audition rather than a competition and it will lower your blood pressure and you will enjoy the show a whole lot more. Now I know they hype it as a competition and not as an audition, but that just brings me back to my original question...whatever made you think that show biz is fair? |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
It's not fair, so they need to remove the word competition.
California does have some legal standards in place ..... correct?
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On 2009-09-05 08:19, Psychic Samurai wrote: com·pe·ti·tion (kŏm'pĭ-tĭsh'ən) n. 1. The act of competing, as for profit or a prize; rivalry. 2. A test of skill or ability; a contest: a skating competition. 3. Rivalry between two or more businesses striving for the same customer or market. 4. A competitor: The competition has cornered the market. If they say "competition" and perhaps mislead you into thinking its something its not, is that unfair? How about if you say you are going to place a ball into your left hand and you really don't, is that unfair? If it is meant to produce entertainment then BOTH scenarios are fair IMO. The trouble is that it is a very gray area. Even an audition could still be considered a competition. Now if it could be proven that the audience votes are completely ignored and the producers simply pick the winner themselves, then I believe legalities would certainly come into play. However, I honestly don't believe that is the case. The producers do everything they can to skew the audience towards a certain performer(s) in order to produce the results they want, but I believe the audience votes are honestly collected and tabulated to produce the final winner. The thing that always gets me is that magicians almost always seem to treat the producers of these types of talent shows as if they are criminals, yet these same magicians if hired to produce the same show would likely do the very same things the current producers do in order to make the show as successful as possible. Determining which acts are televised and in which order they appear is not a shameless abuse of power, its simply the same thing we magicians are always saying when we state "the most important thing is to entertain the audience". I do video editing for a living and taking lackluster footage with a very difficult to understand and convoluted point, and (through careful editing) converting it into something interesting and engrossing with a very easy to understand point, is not considered unfair, rather it is considered a genuine talent in my business. You have to be honest in your storytelling but you also have a duty to make it as interesting and memorable (and yes, entertaining) as you can. If I was the producer of AGT I wouldn't change much if anything (except I'd really be pushing for a magician to win). Bill |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
Great Comments as always, Bill.
Technically AGT is not classed as a "Game Show" by broadcast Standards & Practices which carries a different set of rules and guidelines. This is a "Reality Talent Show". It means the producers can basically do what they want as long as they abide by their own published rules. Even the term "reality show" is very misleading. An executive at E entertainment calls them "Unscripted Programming". I try not talk too much about the exact terms or it just frustrates everyone too much.
Ray Pierce
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
So they just define their own meanings for the terms used. Right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
Lol... well, no. They are carefully following the standards set forth in their own rules. They haven't technically "changed" the definitions of any words, Let's just say they are just carefully using existing definitions that suit them best.
Kind of like courts of law, the government and most businesses.
Ray Pierce
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Courts are constantly overturning their own decisions
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